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post #1 of 16 Old 10-26-2012, 07:10 AM Thread Starter
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AX-5 Fill Plug - Inverted??? Very different configuration of what I have read

Hi guys.

I have a 98 TJ but I swapped the 30RH with a Ax-5 (supposedly from a 1993 YJ). This work has performed by a shop owned by a friend of mine.

Anyways the thing is that I want to change the GL5 140 gear oil he used with REDLINE MT90.

I read a lots of posts in different forums, including this one, regarding which plug is which, and do do not remove certain plugs. Perfect.

So far, everybody says that the fill plug is a bolt in the passanger side, and that in the drive side is an ALLEN BOLT. THat shouldnt be removed.

My transmission has an ALLEN Bolt in the PASSANGER SIDE, and a regular bolt in the DRIVER SIDE. Its inverted of what everybody says.

It's possible that my transmission is old like 91-92 or something and that setup is inverted? which should be the correct fill plug and which not to remove.

I called him and he said that he thinks that its in the passanger side. But when I mentioned the setup, he said that the one is the one similar to the drain plug (regular socket bolt). That no matter were it is, its that one. that I Shouldnt remove the allen one, because it holds internal parts of the transmission.

I am very confused and scared because, that means I need to remove the one in the driver side, agaisnt everything I have read.

I questioned him , about the possibilty that he inverted bolts when assembling, and he told me that the bolts are different, and there's no way to invert them, because they wouldnt fit or do the work they are supposed to do (hold internal parts etc).

Does anybody have any idea?

Here I include a Picture of my Passanger Side:


Driver Side:


I didnt touched anything and left it that way, until i am completely sure.
I will really appreciate the help you guys can provide me.


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post #2 of 16 Old 10-26-2012, 07:23 AM
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I would say it is the one on the drivers side.
The ones for my AX15 are on the drivers side.

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The AX5 fill plug is in the FIRST pic, PASSENGER side, top center. 15/16", same size as the drain plug which is bottom center, just visible at the bottom of your second pic.

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The AX5 fill plug is in the FIRST pic, PASSENGER side, top center. 15/16", same size as the drain plug which is bottom center, just visible at the bottom of your second pic.
the 15/16" (same plus as drain plug) Is located in the DRIVER side.

The passanger side is an ALLEN

that's my Big CONCERN and confunsion.

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Above the Allen, between the Allen and the backup light plug ( with the wire).

Look at your pic again....

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Above the Allen, between the Allen and the backup light plug ( with the wire).

Look at your pic again....

all those are Torx. the small ones and the one that says do not remove. The big one is the HEX(ALLEN).




there's no 15/16" there. Only on the driver side, and it looks marked as removed. The ones in the passenger side looks untouched.

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check out illustration 26,27 & 28 from this site. this guys say and use the driver side for the ax-5

http://www.4wdmechanix.com/Jeep-4WD-...r-Service.html

this is very frustrating..

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I think they may have mixed pictures on that site as they are talking about both the AX5 and the AX15 in their general maintenance tutorial.

Your last pic has the fill plug labelled Hex...

It may be rounded off then painted but that is the plug you are after to fill it.
You may need a pipe wrench if a 15/16" socket doesn't do the job.

I've changed the fluid in my AX5 dozens of times. I do a lot of water crossings and change out my fluids often, just on general principle.

If you're still not sure, wait for someone else who knows the AX5 to chime in...Mean Max comes to mind...

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Had to hunt this one down. Read what Max has to say about the plugs on the AX5. I guess you could fill from the driver's side but that's still not the preferred option.

http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f12/d...g-myth-908211/

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this site also says its on the driver side for the ax-5... read the bottom of the thread...

http://www.stu-offroad.com/misc/fluids-1.htm

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I think they may have mixed pictures on that site as they are talking about both the AX5 and the AX15 in their general maintenance tutorial.

Your last pic has the fill plug labelled Hex...

It may be rounded off then painted but that is the plug you are after to fill it.
You may need a pipe wrench if a 15/16" socket doesn't do the job.

I've changed the fluid in my AX5 dozens of times. I do a lot of water crossings and change out my fluids often, just on general principle.

If you're still not sure, wait for someone else who knows the AX5 to chime in...Mean Max comes to mind...
Thank you for all your feedback!

Just a note, Its not rounded off, if you see the bolt, you will see is a female Allen. it has the whole, and the allen key fits perfect. its perfectly rounded with a hole in the middle with allen hexagonal form. socket bolts doesnt have holes in the middle.

anyways, that one you mention is higher than the one in the driver side. I think I will try using that one, because if both of them could be used, the one on the passenger side will allow more oil in.

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all those are Torx. the small ones and the one that says do not remove. The big one is the HEX(ALLEN).




there's no 15/16" there. Only on the driver side, and it looks marked as removed. The ones in the passenger side looks untouched.
Did anyone ever figure out which one is the fill plug here?? I need to change the oil in my ax5 and I see the same thing.... a big allen head bolt (bigger than I have anyway) looks like the one??
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I removed and refill using the one labeled HEX in the picture. so far so good.

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Did anyone ever figure out which one is the fill plug here?? I need to change the oil in my ax5 and I see the same thing.... a big allen head bolt (bigger than I have anyway) looks like the one??

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same here....

I do have an '02 ax5 that has the big 15/16 head bolt in the same place that I will be swapping in soon though....

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post #15 of 16 Old 04-20-2014, 05:26 PM
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Swapped bolts...?

Judging by what I've read here I am even more confused by the fact that my bolts are not matching up to many pics that I've seen...

Max has me convinced that there is nothing behind the "Do Not Remove" bolt, but am I still going to be able to fill my tranny back up even though someone seems to have switched the 15/16 with the "Do Not Remove" bolt?

I'm hesitant to pull either of them out and seem to remember him saying something about the lift that he put in causing some alignment issues when putting everything back together.

Any thoughts?
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