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post #91 of 141 Old 12-15-2011, 07:52 PM
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another way to tension it would be those two threaded rods with a hook on either end... one rod is reverse threaded so when you spin the middle sleeve it spreads and pulls em together (cant think of what its called right now) but that may work as well
Its called a turnbuckle. Got em at the hardware and at marine supplies. Cheap and effective FTW!
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post #92 of 141 Old 12-15-2011, 07:56 PM Thread Starter
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Hey Ripper, what do you think of this idea? Maybe you could use an electric A/C clutch on the alt for the belt? That way you could use the same switch for the belt drive *and* the field wire. Or weld on an old vise-grips to a bracket to tension it?
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thats actually a really good idea... thatll allow you to not run the alternator when your not using it (apparently thats bad for it). if i remember correctly the clutch assy sticks out further than an alternator pulley, so id have to re make my mounts and move my alt back, but for you guys thatd be a really good way to go i think, then you dont have to screw around with any of the set up before you wanna weld.

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my on board alternator/welder write up
http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f12/a...te-up-1301614/
my tj 1/2 doors on a yj write up
http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f12/t...ation-1417686/
RC vs BDS
http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f12/r...s-bds-1461555/
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post #93 of 141 Old 12-15-2011, 07:58 PM Thread Starter
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i stand corrected, that would actually line up well, id just need to find a car with a v belt system
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build thread:
http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f22/9...-spud-1218315/
1994 yj stretched, locked and loaded - 6.0l vortec lq4, 4l60e, np231, Dana 44s 37" interco trxus m/t, 3.5" bds front leafs, double triangulated 4 link rear on xj front coils.
1997 ZJ limited - BONE stock
2003 tj - 4in skyjacker, 33" mickey thompsons
my on board alternator/welder write up
http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f12/a...te-up-1301614/
my tj 1/2 doors on a yj write up
http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f12/t...ation-1417686/
RC vs BDS
http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f12/r...s-bds-1461555/
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post #94 of 141 Old 12-15-2011, 07:59 PM Thread Starter
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the only problem i see with that design is youd either need a very high output alternator, or very high rpms given that the ac compressor clutch is a much larger diameter pulley than the average alternator

build thread:
http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f22/9...-spud-1218315/
1994 yj stretched, locked and loaded - 6.0l vortec lq4, 4l60e, np231, Dana 44s 37" interco trxus m/t, 3.5" bds front leafs, double triangulated 4 link rear on xj front coils.
1997 ZJ limited - BONE stock
2003 tj - 4in skyjacker, 33" mickey thompsons
my on board alternator/welder write up
http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f12/a...te-up-1301614/
my tj 1/2 doors on a yj write up
http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f12/t...ation-1417686/
RC vs BDS
http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f12/r...s-bds-1461555/
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The only thing im not sure bout is the lead wires as the other on top. I'll worry bout that when I get there though.

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post #96 of 141 Old 12-15-2011, 08:31 PM
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But if this is mainly for quick fixes in the field what's the point (besides its cool as hell) of having it if you run the risk of ****ing you keep up wile welding on it (I'm still doing it though)

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But if this is mainly for quick fixes in the field what's the point (besides its cool as hell) of having it if you run the risk of ****ing you keep up wile welding on it (I'm still doing it though)
you can weld up other peoples rigs, and if you get good at it you can just use it as an all around welder. as long as your careful your risk of ****ing your electronics up is minimal.

build thread:
http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f22/9...-spud-1218315/
1994 yj stretched, locked and loaded - 6.0l vortec lq4, 4l60e, np231, Dana 44s 37" interco trxus m/t, 3.5" bds front leafs, double triangulated 4 link rear on xj front coils.
1997 ZJ limited - BONE stock
2003 tj - 4in skyjacker, 33" mickey thompsons
my on board alternator/welder write up
http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f12/a...te-up-1301614/
my tj 1/2 doors on a yj write up
http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f12/t...ation-1417686/
RC vs BDS
http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f12/r...s-bds-1461555/
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The only thing im not sure bout is the lead wires as the other on top. I'll worry bout that when I get there though.
lemme know when you get there and ill walk you through the wires

build thread:
http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f22/9...-spud-1218315/
1994 yj stretched, locked and loaded - 6.0l vortec lq4, 4l60e, np231, Dana 44s 37" interco trxus m/t, 3.5" bds front leafs, double triangulated 4 link rear on xj front coils.
1997 ZJ limited - BONE stock
2003 tj - 4in skyjacker, 33" mickey thompsons
my on board alternator/welder write up
http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f12/a...te-up-1301614/
my tj 1/2 doors on a yj write up
http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f12/t...ation-1417686/
RC vs BDS
http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f12/r...s-bds-1461555/
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another way to tension it would be those two threaded rods with a hook on either end... one rod is reverse threaded so when you spin the middle sleeve it spreads and pulls em together (cant think of what its called right now) but that may work as well
Turnbuckle. That would be an easy way to tighten it. I need to do this mod, looks like it works great.
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post #100 of 141 Old 12-15-2011, 09:27 PM
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You too? Stick, mig, tig and gas here. Mostly ASME boiler section 8 and 9 (repair).
Maybe you could use an electric A/C clutch on the alt for the belt? That way you could use the same switch for the belt drive *and* the field wire. Or weld on an old vise-grips to a bracket to tension it?

No the field wire won't screw with anything else, but I would put a fuse in it tho.
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Awesome!! The AC idea is brilliant. Like ripper stated though.. the diameter of that belt is to big but.. It still might be doable if we can weld or fab a smaller pully on the front of the clutch assembly. The center portion doesn't spin unless the clutch is engaged. I'm gonna take a look at that.

I like the vise grip idea too. We've used vice grips in unorthodox ways before. lol.. As a lineman.. we welded clamps to them and they became snubs. It holds lashing to the strand.

Was worried about that field wire, Thanks!

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i thought about putting it on a serpentine belt but the v belt set up was just simpler for me and it fit really well. this way i just slip it on and off. to be honest the reason i picked the v belt was because i thought it didnt really need to be tight like a serpentine... our tractors isnt tight and it works, but oh well its good now.

the field wire wont mess with anything other than drain your batt, its just a direct connection from batt to field terminal on the alt
Cool.. Yeah.. nothing wrong with the V groove. It's worked that way for years.

Good deal about the field wire. I don't want to chance anything messing with the ride home.

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Hey Ripper, what do you think of this idea? Maybe you could use an electric A/C clutch on the alt for the belt? That way you could use the same switch for the belt drive *and* the field wire. Or weld on an old vise-grips to a bracket to tension it?
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oldtime_ironman beat you to it but that's all good. Had he not.. you'de be bringing it. Happy to hear input period. The internet is great! AC clutch is an awesome idea and aside from the pulley size issue (mentioned by ripper).. I think it's doable!

Can't wait to get started!
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another thought, how hard does the ac clutch hold, because the alt becomes very difficult to turn when you draw from it, not sure if the ac clutch will stay engaged with that. once again i have no idea just throwing the thought out there

build thread:
http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f22/9...-spud-1218315/
1994 yj stretched, locked and loaded - 6.0l vortec lq4, 4l60e, np231, Dana 44s 37" interco trxus m/t, 3.5" bds front leafs, double triangulated 4 link rear on xj front coils.
1997 ZJ limited - BONE stock
2003 tj - 4in skyjacker, 33" mickey thompsons
my on board alternator/welder write up
http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f12/a...te-up-1301614/
my tj 1/2 doors on a yj write up
http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f12/t...ation-1417686/
RC vs BDS
http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f12/r...s-bds-1461555/
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you can weld up other peoples rigs, and if you get good at it you can just use it as an all around welder. as long as your careful your risk of ****ing your electronics up is minimal.
I'm good at stick (all they taught when I was in school) but I'm going to talk my buddy into doing one on his boat where he can weld mine without a risk of messing my own up. I like my kenwood and my ECU

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lemme know when you get there and ill walk you through the wires
Ok cool. JF messaging it will take a wile though (I'm nowhere near the best wire runner in the world)

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another thought, how hard does the ac clutch hold, because the alt becomes very difficult to turn when you draw from it, not sure if the ac clutch will stay engaged with that. once again i have no idea just throwing the thought out there
I've heard the typical AC unit can hold about 3 hp. Dunno how to back that up tho. I would actually adapt the clutch to the crank instead of putting it on the alt so you don't have to worry bout enough RPM's. Basically all you would need is a custom made bolt or stud - easy job to do. Kind of "double-ended" like a great big stud on one end, nut in the middle, and a 1/2 inch smooth shaft on the other end.

Imagine if the crank pulley bolt had a shaft sticking out from the middle of the bolt head, so you could stack the AC clutch on top of the crank pulley.
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I've heard the typical AC unit can hold about 3 hp. Dunno how to back that up tho. I would actually adapt the clutch to the crank instead of putting it on the alt so you don't have to worry bout enough RPM's. Basically all you would need is a custom made bolt or stud - easy job to do. Kind of "double-ended" like a great big stud on one end, nut in the middle, and a 1/2 inch smooth shaft on the other end.

Imagine if the crank pulley bolt had a shaft sticking out from the middle of the bolt head, so you could stack the AC clutch on top of the crank pulley.
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