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Unread 12-15-2011, 02:12 PM   #61
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I like the stick better. Just something bout that little wire don't seam trust worthy
first time i welded up my anti wrap bar on my jeep i had my angles wrong, so it actually held the entire rear end of the jeep at full droop with the tires on the ground, welded it with flux core because i ran out of solid and it actually held, i have full trust in mig welders for anything youll put on a jeep, i wouldnt trust mig on something like construction equipment though

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1994 yj stretched, locked and loaded - 6.0l vortec lq4, 4l60e, np231, Dana 44s 37" interco trxus m/t, 3.5" bds front leafs, double triangulated 4 link rear on xj front coils.
1997 ZJ limited - BONE stock
2003 tj - 4in skyjacker, 33" mickey thompsons
my on board alternator/welder write up
[url]http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f12/alternator-welder-write-up-1301614/[/url]
my tj 1/2 doors on a yj write up
[url]http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f12/tj-uppers-yj-half-doors-hard-top-installation-1417686/[/url]
RC vs BDS
[url]http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f12/rough-country-vs-bds-1461555/[/url]
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Unread 12-15-2011, 02:13 PM   #62
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College kid = no $$$ and no space but I really want to acquire that skill exp. if Im going to move on from "bolt-on" mods.

So thanks for that
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1994 yj stretched, locked and loaded - 6.0l vortec lq4, 4l60e, np231, Dana 44s 37" interco trxus m/t, 3.5" bds front leafs, double triangulated 4 link rear on xj front coils.
1997 ZJ limited - BONE stock
2003 tj - 4in skyjacker, 33" mickey thompsons
my on board alternator/welder write up
[url]http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f12/alternator-welder-write-up-1301614/[/url]
my tj 1/2 doors on a yj write up
[url]http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f12/tj-uppers-yj-half-doors-hard-top-installation-1417686/[/url]
RC vs BDS
[url]http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f12/rough-country-vs-bds-1461555/[/url]
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Unread 12-15-2011, 02:21 PM   #63
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first time i welded up my anti wrap bar on my jeep i had my angles wrong, so it actually held the entire rear end of the jeep at full droop with the tires on the ground, welded it with flux core because i ran out of solid and it actually held, i have full trust in mig welders for anything youll put on a jeep, i wouldnt trust mig on something like construction equipment though
Well it all depends on the size of the welder. My mig don't get hot enough for anything other than tacking to hold in place or body work. Anything to thick and it will fall apart when weight is placed
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Unread 12-15-2011, 02:26 PM   #64
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What if you swapped your current alt for the ford one and only have 1 alt?
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If you could, would you just start the heep. Disco. the batt, then shut off the regulator?
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Unread 12-15-2011, 02:33 PM   #65
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you can replace your alternator with a ford one and get a 12v dc/110v regulator that will swap over by throwing a switch, leave your batt connected. (i believe they sell at autozone, but around 100 bucks, so mounting a second alternator was cheapest and easiest for me
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1994 yj stretched, locked and loaded - 6.0l vortec lq4, 4l60e, np231, Dana 44s 37" interco trxus m/t, 3.5" bds front leafs, double triangulated 4 link rear on xj front coils.
1997 ZJ limited - BONE stock
2003 tj - 4in skyjacker, 33" mickey thompsons
my on board alternator/welder write up
[url]http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f12/alternator-welder-write-up-1301614/[/url]
my tj 1/2 doors on a yj write up
[url]http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f12/tj-uppers-yj-half-doors-hard-top-installation-1417686/[/url]
RC vs BDS
[url]http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f12/rough-country-vs-bds-1461555/[/url]
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Unread 12-15-2011, 02:35 PM   #66
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Actually, most new welding in the US is done with MIG or some variation of it. Its a lot easier to make a strong MIG weld, and cheaper too on the big jobs. Including giant bridge beams, construction equipment, pipeing, ships, etc. Have you ever drove over the Oakland bridge, or a highway overpass? I welded some of that. MIG tends to have better penetration and therefore better strength in the hands of less-skilled operators. This is *because* of the smaller wire and therefore greater energy density. Not to mention lack of solid particle slag inclusions.

The strongest stick weld I ever did held 110K lbs hydraulic force, and so did the strongest MIG I ever did. Both welds were done on 1-inch thick plate, and both the stick and MIG were rated for 70K lbs.

They both have their uses tho depending on the situation - You have to learn when to use which tool for what job. Unless the specs or the building code specifically call out for doing the job a certain way.
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Unread 12-15-2011, 02:36 PM   #67
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Only problem is if you screw up and your runnning it off your main alt you risk frying your elections/killing yout alt. By having 2 I know the jeep will continue to work no matter what
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1994 yj stretched, locked and loaded - 6.0l vortec lq4, 4l60e, np231, Dana 44s 37" interco trxus m/t, 3.5" bds front leafs, double triangulated 4 link rear on xj front coils.
1997 ZJ limited - BONE stock
2003 tj - 4in skyjacker, 33" mickey thompsons
my on board alternator/welder write up
[url]http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f12/alternator-welder-write-up-1301614/[/url]
my tj 1/2 doors on a yj write up
[url]http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f12/tj-uppers-yj-half-doors-hard-top-installation-1417686/[/url]
RC vs BDS
[url]http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f12/rough-country-vs-bds-1461555/[/url]
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Unread 12-15-2011, 02:38 PM   #68
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Actually, most new welding in the US is done with MIG or some variation of it. Including giant bridge beams, construction equipment, pipeing, ships, etc. MIG tends to have better penetration and therefore better strength in the hands of less-skilled operators. The strongest stick weld I ever did held 110K lbs hydraulic force, and so did the strongest MIG I ever did. Both welds were done on 1-inch thick plate, and both the stick and MIG were rated for 70K lbs.

They both have their uses tho depending on the situation - You have to learn when to use which tool for what job. Unless the specs or the building code specifically call out for doing the job a certain way.
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This guy knows his ****

Feel free to correct me if Im giving bad information
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1994 yj stretched, locked and loaded - 6.0l vortec lq4, 4l60e, np231, Dana 44s 37" interco trxus m/t, 3.5" bds front leafs, double triangulated 4 link rear on xj front coils.
1997 ZJ limited - BONE stock
2003 tj - 4in skyjacker, 33" mickey thompsons
my on board alternator/welder write up
[url]http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f12/alternator-welder-write-up-1301614/[/url]
my tj 1/2 doors on a yj write up
[url]http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f12/tj-uppers-yj-half-doors-hard-top-installation-1417686/[/url]
RC vs BDS
[url]http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f12/rough-country-vs-bds-1461555/[/url]
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Unread 12-15-2011, 02:40 PM   #69
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Ah! Okay, yep 2nd alt. for me too then
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Unread 12-15-2011, 02:50 PM   #70
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Hey for those guys out there does not want to put one of these in their jeep you can modify this to run off of a gas lawn mower engine. Just some mounting it up. If you have like a rider just do a swap out with the blade pulley to drive it Mount it on the front. But great write up.
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Unread 12-15-2011, 03:45 PM   #71
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so heres a little comparison, given im absolutely terrable at stick welding this shows the bead i was able to run, (this is only my 3rd time trying to stick weld)

alternator welder





220 mig with gas

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1994 yj stretched, locked and loaded - 6.0l vortec lq4, 4l60e, np231, Dana 44s 37" interco trxus m/t, 3.5" bds front leafs, double triangulated 4 link rear on xj front coils.
1997 ZJ limited - BONE stock
2003 tj - 4in skyjacker, 33" mickey thompsons
my on board alternator/welder write up
[url]http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f12/alternator-welder-write-up-1301614/[/url]
my tj 1/2 doors on a yj write up
[url]http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f12/tj-uppers-yj-half-doors-hard-top-installation-1417686/[/url]
RC vs BDS
[url]http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f12/rough-country-vs-bds-1461555/[/url]
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Unread 12-15-2011, 04:29 PM   #72
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Looks like you were using 6013 rod, or maybe 6011? Certainly had enough heat there. Maybe could bump it up to 7018 (my favorite) and practice a bunch. I had tech school + college and 3 yrs experience before they let me weld anything on the job.
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Unread 12-15-2011, 04:51 PM   #73
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im looking at the box and i dont see where it says what it is... its 1.6mm thats all i see
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1994 yj stretched, locked and loaded - 6.0l vortec lq4, 4l60e, np231, Dana 44s 37" interco trxus m/t, 3.5" bds front leafs, double triangulated 4 link rear on xj front coils.
1997 ZJ limited - BONE stock
2003 tj - 4in skyjacker, 33" mickey thompsons
my on board alternator/welder write up
[url]http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f12/alternator-welder-write-up-1301614/[/url]
my tj 1/2 doors on a yj write up
[url]http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f12/tj-uppers-yj-half-doors-hard-top-installation-1417686/[/url]
RC vs BDS
[url]http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f12/rough-country-vs-bds-1461555/[/url]
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Unread 12-15-2011, 04:54 PM   #74
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im looking at the box and i dont see where it says what it is... its 1.6mm thats all i see
Look on the side of the rod itself, near the stinger end 1,6 mm would be about 1/8 inch if I have my math right, so it seems your setup is capable of using the full-size commercial stuff
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Unread 12-15-2011, 04:56 PM   #75
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found it, your right 6013, says on the rod itself
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1994 yj stretched, locked and loaded - 6.0l vortec lq4, 4l60e, np231, Dana 44s 37" interco trxus m/t, 3.5" bds front leafs, double triangulated 4 link rear on xj front coils.
1997 ZJ limited - BONE stock
2003 tj - 4in skyjacker, 33" mickey thompsons
my on board alternator/welder write up
[url]http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f12/alternator-welder-write-up-1301614/[/url]
my tj 1/2 doors on a yj write up
[url]http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f12/tj-uppers-yj-half-doors-hard-top-installation-1417686/[/url]
RC vs BDS
[url]http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f12/rough-country-vs-bds-1461555/[/url]
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