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Unread 09-04-2013, 07:40 AM   #31
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still need help guys & girls

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Unread 09-04-2013, 08:13 AM   #32
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Do you have the wiring all in place or are you still figuring the wiring out?
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Unread 09-04-2013, 08:27 AM   #33
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Do you have the wiring all in place or are you still figuring the wiring out?
Hi all the wire are labeled on both xj & yj
But im not clued up on what and where to connect them all.
I just need someone to tell me which wires from the xj that need to be connected so I can get it to turn.
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Unread 09-04-2013, 09:18 AM   #34
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I cant see pics at work. I am guessing that is what you have posted in your thread. I can look when I get home tonight. The 5 to fire are pretty much it though. You might have to deal with security from the XJ and the nuetral saftey switch but the circuits are
E4-D4 Battery
H2-G5 Starter/Crank
C4- Fuel
B6-D5 Ignition
D1-E4 Battery
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Unread 09-04-2013, 09:38 AM   #35
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When I did mine, I worked back from the XJ ECM connectors, not the bulkhead connector. This way, you can look at the engine harness as basically 3 separate branches. A and B stay pretty much un-modified. C is where you can thin out all the stuff related to A/C, cruise control, etc.


Once you have everything thinned out, there are only a few wires to hook up:
(disclaimer: I have not actually done this on a YJ, I'm just going off the YJ bulkhead pinout you posted earlier. You should verify each circuit before you make any irreversible modifications to your rig.)

Batt (+) to PDC

XJ -> YJ
Batt feed (red/blk) (from PDC) -> D4
Batt feed (pnk/blk) (from PDC) -> E4
a bunch of grounds -> ground
start signal (ylw) -> G5
ignition feed (blu/wht) -> A6
ignition feed (wht) -> D5
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Unread 09-04-2013, 10:31 AM   #36
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I cant see pics at work. I am guessing that is what you have posted in your thread. I can look when I get home tonight. The 5 to fire are pretty much it though. You might have to deal with security from the XJ and the nuetral saftey switch but the circuits are
E4-D4 Battery
H2-G5 Starter/Crank
C4- Fuel
B6-D5 Ignition
D1-E4 Battery
e4 - i dont have
h2 i dont have
c4 is violet power amplifier c2(rhd)
b6 is brown with yellow trace Crankshaft postion sensor ground
d1 is red white headlamp switch fused b (+)

I will till you look at what i have.
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Unread 09-04-2013, 11:43 AM   #37
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When I did mine, I worked back from the XJ ECM connectors, not the bulkhead connector. This way, you can look at the engine harness as basically 3 separate branches. A and B stay pretty much un-modified. C is where you can thin out all the stuff related to A/C, cruise control, etc.


Once you have everything thinned out, there are only a few wires to hook up:
(disclaimer: I have not actually done this on a YJ, I'm just going off the YJ bulkhead pinout you posted earlier. You should verify each circuit before you make any irreversible modifications to your rig.)

Batt (+) to PDC

XJ -> YJ
Batt feed (red/blk) (from PDC) -> D4
Batt feed (pnk/blk) (from PDC) -> E4
a bunch of grounds -> ground
start signal (ylw) -> G5
ignition feed (blu/wht) -> A6
ignition feed (wht) -> D5
Thanks for that the only thing is that the engine harnnes is alredy in its place,im just hoping to figure it out from there.

The Batt feed (red/black) on the xj is on connector c2 check my post 28
The Batt feed (pink/black) on the xj is on connector c100 main connector post 1.
so these are needed ok
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Unread 09-04-2013, 12:13 PM   #38
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e4 - i dont have
h2 i dont have
c4 is violet power amplifier c2(rhd)
b6 is brown with yellow trace Crankshaft postion sensor ground
d1 is red white headlamp switch fused b (+)

I will till you look at what i have.
sorry i miss red your post, you meant the five wires on the yj lol
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Unread 09-04-2013, 12:23 PM   #39
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Thanks for that the only thing is that the engine harnnes is alredy in its place,im just hoping to figure it out from there.

The Batt feed (red/black) on the xj is on connector c2 check my post 28
The Batt feed (pink/black) on the xj is on connector c100 main connector post 1.
so these are needed ok
There are several heavy gauge fused battery feeds that come out of the PDC. You can use any of them to get direct battery power to your ignition switch and any other place you need it. I just picked two that are protected by 40A fuses. You can use the two heavy wires shown in this photo to connect to D4 and E4.


The blu/wht wire in that photo is the ignition feed that goes to A6 and/or D5.


The ylw/red wire in this photo is your starter wire. It energized the starter relay. Should be connected to G5 on the YJ bulkhead.
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Unread 09-04-2013, 02:17 PM   #40
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There are several heavy gauge fused battery feeds that come out of the PDC. You can use any of them to get direct battery power to your ignition switch and any other place you need it. I just picked two that are protected by 40A fuses. You can use the two heavy wires shown in this photo to connect to D4 and E4.


The blu/wht wire in that photo is the ignition feed that goes to A6 and/or D5.


The ylw/red wire in this photo is your starter wire. It energized the starter relay. Should be connected to G5 on the YJ bulkhead.

Im will try that tomorrow, its to dark now.im glad you chimed into the post you have given me the best news yet,

i most definitely get a good nights sleep tonight that's for sure...


Just 2 more question the white wire you mentioned do i still need that??

Then the yellow/red wire should i use that with the yellow wire together,
the reason i ask is that they were looped together under the dashboard harness,

THANKS AGAIN
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Unread 09-04-2013, 03:42 PM   #41
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Just 2 more question the white wire you mentioned do i still need that??

Then the yellow/red wire should i use that with the yellow wire together,
the reason i ask is that they were looped together under the dashboard harness,

THANKS AGAIN

The white wire that I mentioned is the power for the Evap solenoid and the leak detection pump. These are emissions devices that may or may not be present on your European spec XJ.

As for the yellow wires, you want the one that goes to the starter relay in the PDC. The other should go to the ignition switch. Based on the diagrams you provided earlier, the yellow goes to the ignition switch, so the yellow/red is the one you want.
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Unread 09-05-2013, 08:38 AM   #42
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Hi ok i hooked up all the wires what you have suggested and that has not worked.
im not not sure what to do any more.

could look at my diagrams and circuits again please.
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Unread 09-05-2013, 09:48 AM   #43
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Okay, let me try this a different way... from the Power Distribution Center (PDC). When you are splicing the XJ harness to the YJ harness, what you are really doing is routing battery power from the PDC to the YJ fuseblock, then routing switched power from the YJ ignition switch back to the PDC. Below is a diagram of the PDC from a '98 XJ.


Here is a diagram showing all the fused battery power leads coming from the PDC. You only need 2 of these (you've already identified these 2 on connector C2). I've marked them with what I believe to be the correct cavity on your YJ bulkhead connector. These will feed battery power from the battery to the YJ fuse block and ignition switch.


Here are two diagrams showing all the relays in the PDC. You need to get switched power (hot in "run" and "start") to the automatic shut down (ASD) relay and the fuel pump relay. You also need to get the start signal to the starter relay. Again, I've labeled these with what I believe are the correct YJ bulkhead locations.



And here is your YJ bulkhead diagram from before with what I believe to be the relevant wires labeled with arrows.
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Unread 09-05-2013, 02:53 PM   #44
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Well i just just tryed that and that didnt work, theres got to be something im doing wrong, ive have even parked my other car next to the jeep and connecting the battery from that to the yj battery, just to be sure its not the battery.
i dont here anything when i turn the key, but my back lights do come on even with out the key in the ignition (strange)

and another thing i have noticed that all the FSM when it comes to the C100 connector they are marked as black LHD RHD,
the C100 connector on my xj obd2 system is white whats with that.


Do you think it might be a good idea if i take a few close up shots of my obd2 C100 connector and see what you think??
also a few of my yj bulkhead connetor.

this is getting beyond a joke.
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Unread 09-05-2013, 02:54 PM   #45
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ps do i need to have exhaust all connected up??
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