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Unread 11-10-2013, 01:08 PM   #16
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Check the timing

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Unread 11-10-2013, 03:58 PM   #17
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Check the timing
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[QUOTE=Magnum;14117863] I gave the Jeep the required offering of $$, sweat, and blood, and everything works fine now. -- Jim[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ldso;16498409]. It started with a $200 axle, and a few thousand dollars later I was done :)[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Luuca;16122017]diagnose the real issue before you start going all Obama on it - spending mad cash you'll need for other important things.

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[QUOTE=Overhead;17658665]this is also my second set of RC springs this year. I'd rather spend the money again and get something that will last.[/QUOTE]
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Unread 11-10-2013, 06:25 PM   #18
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bad timing makes it almost impossible to start and makes it feel and sound like a dead battery
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Unread 11-11-2013, 06:50 AM   #19
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bad timing makes it almost impossible to start and makes it feel and sound like a dead battery
I was agreeing with you. The only part missing though now that I think about it is he should be getting some back firing. But I still think he needs to check time once it is up to temp and has been there for a solid 15 minutes are so so everything in the engine bay is up to temp as well.
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1995 YJ. 2 inch BDS Spring lift. 1 inch shackle lift. 1.25 inch JKS Body Lift 33x12.5x15's. Engo 10,000 pound winch.

[QUOTE=Magnum;14117863] I gave the Jeep the required offering of $$, sweat, and blood, and everything works fine now. -- Jim[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ldso;16498409]. It started with a $200 axle, and a few thousand dollars later I was done :)[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Luuca;16122017]diagnose the real issue before you start going all Obama on it - spending mad cash you'll need for other important things.

Ask me how I know...[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Overhead;17658665]this is also my second set of RC springs this year. I'd rather spend the money again and get something that will last.[/QUOTE]
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Unread 11-11-2013, 08:05 AM   #20
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is there a way to test this?
Couple of ways. When it warms up and refuses to restart, wet down the cps area with a hose. Give it a few minutes to cool down. If that is the problem, it should start right up.

These things are not terribly expensive, costing around $35 at your local parts store and are easy to install.

And oh yeah, I've heard that this failure does not throw a code, but can't verify this as my '89 doesn't believe in codes.
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Unread 11-11-2013, 08:27 AM   #21
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The CPS should throw a code during the no start condition but like you believe it wont always. Cooling the sensor down is also not definitive. If it works you know its bad but if you cool it and it still doesn't work that doesn't confirm nor deny the issue. Also if it was CPS it would not have spark during the no start condistion. If that sensor is not working it shuts off spark. Check the timing. Its easy you can rent tools and it will answer some questions.
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1995 YJ. 2 inch BDS Spring lift. 1 inch shackle lift. 1.25 inch JKS Body Lift 33x12.5x15's. Engo 10,000 pound winch.

[QUOTE=Magnum;14117863] I gave the Jeep the required offering of $$, sweat, and blood, and everything works fine now. -- Jim[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ldso;16498409]. It started with a $200 axle, and a few thousand dollars later I was done :)[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Luuca;16122017]diagnose the real issue before you start going all Obama on it - spending mad cash you'll need for other important things.

Ask me how I know...[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Overhead;17658665]this is also my second set of RC springs this year. I'd rather spend the money again and get something that will last.[/QUOTE]
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Unread 11-11-2013, 09:02 AM   #22
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Try this. Get it warm so you have the no start and try and crank it over to make sure you have the no start. Then disconnect the battery and count to 10 and reconnect it to reset the ecu back to open loop and try and start it.
It is really unusual to have spark and spray starter fluid and get no ignition.
Do you still have a catalytic converter on it? Did you replace the plug wires? Check your fuel pressure to see if it is running high. 31 psi idle, 39 psi with the vacuum line to the regulator removed and it should hold presure above 20 psi for 20 minutes.
Last thing I can think of would be a bad pickup sensor in the distributor throwing off timing but I dont see how the issue can be hot/cold with a bad pickup.
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Unread 11-11-2013, 03:34 PM   #23
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Thanks for all your responses!

here is what i got. I chnaged out the CTS and i am now able to start it after up to temp but it is a hard start. for instance if i get it up to temp then shut off and start right after i shut off it starts right up.

BUT if i wait say 5 minutes i go and try to start it again and i have to pump gas or either ease down on gas then it is a rough start but once it gets back runing fine (30 secs) or so it is good to go..
I repeat this process of shutting off starting right back with no problem no gas pushing just fires right up.
but again if i wait 3 or 4 minutes it is another hard start (gas pumping etc..)

I also change the Rotor and the Dist Cap. As AlWAYS i appericiate your help and look forward to hearing from you or anyone else.. also the plugs are in correct place and there are only major changes when pulling 4,5,6??

Thanks! (still confused)
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Unread 11-11-2013, 04:56 PM   #24
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Look at my post.
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Unread 11-11-2013, 07:50 PM   #25
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Listen to Que man he is the resident guru he will get ypu straight

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1995 YJ. 2 inch BDS Spring lift. 1 inch shackle lift. 1.25 inch JKS Body Lift 33x12.5x15's. Engo 10,000 pound winch.

[QUOTE=Magnum;14117863] I gave the Jeep the required offering of $$, sweat, and blood, and everything works fine now. -- Jim[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ldso;16498409]. It started with a $200 axle, and a few thousand dollars later I was done :)[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Luuca;16122017]diagnose the real issue before you start going all Obama on it - spending mad cash you'll need for other important things.

Ask me how I know...[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Overhead;17658665]this is also my second set of RC springs this year. I'd rather spend the money again and get something that will last.[/QUOTE]
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Unread 11-12-2013, 04:21 AM   #26
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I was agreeing with you.
I know I was just adding to it
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Unread 11-12-2013, 05:50 AM   #27
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I know I was just adding to it
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1995 YJ. 2 inch BDS Spring lift. 1 inch shackle lift. 1.25 inch JKS Body Lift 33x12.5x15's. Engo 10,000 pound winch.

[QUOTE=Magnum;14117863] I gave the Jeep the required offering of $$, sweat, and blood, and everything works fine now. -- Jim[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ldso;16498409]. It started with a $200 axle, and a few thousand dollars later I was done :)[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Luuca;16122017]diagnose the real issue before you start going all Obama on it - spending mad cash you'll need for other important things.

Ask me how I know...[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Overhead;17658665]this is also my second set of RC springs this year. I'd rather spend the money again and get something that will last.[/QUOTE]
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Unread 11-12-2013, 12:55 PM   #28
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Try this. Get it warm so you have the no start and try and crank it over to make sure you have the no start. Then disconnect the battery and count to 10 and reconnect it to reset the ecu back to open loop and try and start it.
It is really unusual to have spark and spray starter fluid and get no ignition.
Do you still have a catalytic converter on it? Did you replace the plug wires? Check your fuel pressure to see if it is running high. 31 psi idle, 39 psi with the vacuum line to the regulator removed and it should hold presure above 20 psi for 20 minutes.
Last thing I can think of would be a bad pickup sensor in the distributor throwing off timing but I dont see how the issue can be hot/cold with a bad pickup.
where is the vacuum line to the regulator located?
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Unread 11-12-2013, 01:27 PM   #29
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It's on the front of the fuel injector rail.
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Unread 11-12-2013, 04:24 PM   #30
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It's on the front of the fuel injector rail.
ok this is what it read i started and let idle and it was on/around 50 PSI

took the vacuum line off of regulator and nothing changed....

shut off and the pressure immediately dropped to 0 PSI...
Does this tell you anything (for sure)??? is regulator bad and should it hold pressure with it completely cut off? IF so what does this tell me?

Thanks for your help!!
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