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post #1 of 27 Old 02-08-2016, 10:08 PM Thread Starter
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1995 Jeep YJ No Cranking New Starter, Battery, and Terminals

Hi guys I really need help with this one. All of a sudden my jeep decided to spiral out of control with problems. I went to start my jeep the other day and no cranking at all, just a very loud click noise. Just replaced the battery, the battery terminals, and the starter........everything is nice and clean. When I turn the key, I get the buzzer on the dash, all the gauges work and lights work very good and don't dim when I try to start it. The motor isn't seized I turned it over by hand. This is driving me insane please help!!!!!

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post #2 of 27 Old 02-08-2016, 10:25 PM
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Think it could be the starter solenoid?

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Do you have a voltage tester and are you sure all connectors are on the starter?

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Whats the starter solenoid ? Isn't that the other piece on the starter where the cables connect if so, thats new as well so it can't be that. All connections are securely on the starter, and yes I have a voltage tester.
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I know the 87, has a solenoid on the fire wall. Not sure about the 95 though maybe it is all one piece in that year model. Here is a link to the part I'm talking about though hopefully it helps

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Check voltage at the battery, should be over 12V, then check voltage at the large wire on your starter solenoid while grounding against the engine block somewhere. Should be the same as you got across the battery terminals. If it is low, pull off the engine block ground by the base of the dip stick holder and clean it w sandpaper, apply dielectric grease and re-connect. Check other accessible grounds, power points and make sure they are clean, etc. See if it will start then.

Are you hearing your fuel pump prime when you turn the key to the "RUN" position?

The loud click should be your starter solenoid firing, but the starter should spin after that. If all you get is a click, you may not have adequate voltage at the starter, and since it is new, it would "seem" that component could be ruled out as a problem.

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I checked all the connections and the battery is 12.5 volts. I cleaned the grounds on the engine block and made them nice and shiny clean metal, still no luck with starting it. No cranking at all just a loud click. When I turn the key to the "run" position I hear the fuel pump priming.
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It sounds like your solenoid is firing, but you're not getting power to your starter, or you have a bum starter--even though it is new. Have you checked power at the starter with a voltmeter when you have someone try to start it? .......e brake on, transmission in neutral, etc

On your '95, the starter solenoid is the smaller round cylinder on top of the large round cylinder of the actual starter motor itself. How old is this starter, when did you replace it? Consider taking it off and taking to your local parts store to have it tested. At least in my part of N. America (as well as here in Hawaii) you can haul your starter to the local parts stores like O'Reilley's, Autozone, etc and they will test it for you. Suspect your starter until you have ruled that out.

On Sunday, I pulled the starter from a friend's Frontier that I had replaced a year ago. It would click, but not turn. At the store it tested out fine and spun, so I re-installed it and it worked. It could perhaps have a "dead spot" in it even though it has had not that much usage in 1 year. If it goes out again, and re-testing shows it to be good at the store, then I'm going to have to arm-wrestle the counter guy and make them replace it anyway.

The large "power in" cable at your starter solenoid should have same voltage as your battery. Voltmeter positive lead here, and the negative on the engine block, read voltage. The solenoid is a large switch, or a relay. The click is when the solenoid throws and makes an electrical connection. When it clicks, it is closing a switch internally. At that point, the OTHER large wire on the assembly that goes directly into the starter motor from the solenoid should spike to the 12.5V that you see at the battery. Test that one when someone keys the ignition and tell us what you get.

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Have you tried letting it sit with the key in the on position for a few minutes and then trying? I had this problem on my '95 a few years ago. Turned out to be the ECU. On mine, it would start this loud clicking after a few minutes with the key on and then it would start. Hopefully, that's not your problem, but figured I would pass on my experience and might help rule it out.
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Ok I'm going to test the volts at the solenoid when its trying to be started. Not sure how old the starter is I just put it in yesterday.
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Not sure how old the starter is I just put it in yesterday.
Okay, I understand now it was put in yesterday.

Was this a brand new, or a remanufactured/rebuilt starter from the parts store, or was this one a buddy had in his garage of questionable history, or one from a salvage yard?

What was the issue with the previous one that led to you replacing it? Was it doing the exact same thing? (loud click, but no turning the engine over, no activation of the starter motor--loudish whine of electric motor spinning)

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The previous starter was doing the exact same thing this one is doing, a very loud click every time I went to start it. I got it at a shop called dominion starters and alternators and its a rebuilt one.
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Hmmmmmmmmmm. Thoughtful pause.

Pull out your starter and test it. There are numerous youtube videos for this, I found this one entertaining for some reason.


While it is not likely you will have a "switch" like he had, for this you can substitute a screwdriver (with a plastic handle...) across those terminals which will act as the switch. Take the starter out and test it, and let us all know the result. Yeah, I know it's new. But we don't know it works, so bench test it and rule that part out so you can move on to other things.

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Tested the starter it works. Tested the starter terminals with my dad trying to start my jeep and I'm getting 10 volts at the starter. I'm getting power to the starter but not enough. Already cleaned the starter terminals and the engine grounds. This is crazy!!!!
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You should get the same voltage at the Hot input on your starter that you do across your battery terminals. All you are doing is checking the same connections, just further down the line. If you drop 2.5 Volts across that short distance you have some enormous resistance in that circuit. You may have internally corroded cables which look fine on the ends, but if you were to cut back the insulation it would be all green and grainy. Time now to replace those. Also the ground line. If this fixes it you're golden.
Then it would be time to consider the hot input to the PDC being in the same condition, and to the alternator, etc and replace what you find corroded. Can't just look at the ends, I'd scrap them and put in some new primary cables.

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