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Unread 10-02-2007, 03:35 PM   #1
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1993 2.5 4 Cyl Starting Problem

I know this is probably a very basic mechanical problem, but I'm a doofus and I cant afford to replace sumthing that doesn't need to be replaced. Any help or history that will help would be appreciated.

I've got a 1993 2.5 4 Cyl YJ with 75 K Mi.

I have replaced the Alt with a Mean Green Hi Output Alt, added a N.W. Power Dual Battery Managment Sys, and it's storing plenty of Juice.

Question: I'm haveing a starting Prob. It clicks like the battery's dead progressively longer periods of time when I try to start it, then it'll finally start to turn the flywheel. Once it does start to turn the flywheel it starts slow, but winds up and will turn it forever until it starts.

Do these things have Starter Selonoids? Is my starter going out?

Thx, David

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Unread 10-02-2007, 06:52 PM   #2
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i'd guess a bad starter. you can take it off and get it tested for free
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Unread 10-02-2007, 06:56 PM   #3
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I know this is probably a very basic mechanical problem, but I'm a doofus and I cant afford to replace sumthing that doesn't need to be replaced. Any help or history that will help would be appreciated.

I've got a 1993 2.5 4 Cyl YJ with 75 K Mi.

I have replaced the Alt with a Mean Green Hi Output Alt, added a N.W. Power Dual Battery Managment Sys, and it's storing plenty of Juice.

Question: I'm haveing a starting Prob. It clicks like the battery's dead progressively longer periods of time when I try to start it, then it'll finally start to turn the flywheel. Once it does start to turn the flywheel it starts slow, but winds up and will turn it forever until it starts.

Do these things have Starter Selonoids? Is my starter going out?

Thx, David
I think the starter relay is OK, UNLESS you have loose connections. Battery cables that get corroded inside the insulation can give you problems also but they usually give you charging issues. Take each cable and move them around as much as possible. That can eliminate any internal contact problems you may be having for a day or so. But usually if you get the click, click, click routine from your starter and the connections are all tight I would think that the starter and/or the solenoid are going south on you. Given the fact that it is getting worse, my dime is on the starter.
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Unread 10-02-2007, 11:14 PM   #4
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Thx men, since I've already replaced the entire charging Sys with a thousand dollars of Perf parts and cable managment upgrades dat was my best guess.

I've dun a bunch of mis-diagnosing in my day, and if the starter needs to be replaced, I intend to replace it wit a whiz bang Perf starter.

I wanted to practice alittle due dillegence before I ponied up the big dinero.

I'm new to this forum, Thx... D.
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Unread 10-03-2007, 06:52 AM   #5
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Thx men, since I've already replaced the entire charging Sys with a thousand dollars of Perf parts and cable managment upgrades dat was my best guess.

I've dun a bunch of mis-diagnosing in my day, and if the starter needs to be replaced, I intend to replace it wit a whiz bang Perf starter.

I wanted to practice alittle due dillegence before I ponied up the big dinero.

I'm new to this forum, Thx... D.
Ask yourself this question. Why do I need a high performance starter? If you don't have an answer then you don't need one. Buy a stock starter and save the bucks for other projects
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Unread 10-03-2007, 02:05 PM   #6
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Well I've approached this question many times before, and I dont know if my conclusion is complete, but it's the best I've come up with so far.

When I used to work in an auto parts store I saw rebuilt Alternators and Starters come back routinely. In the past I've had some problems with cheap forign parts house parts. I hate having to do a job twice. I started trying to buy OEM, but when they're Avail, the price is pretty high.

It depends on the part I'm trying to replace. I've found on numerous occassions I can buy a Perf equivalent made in the good ole USA for less than the price of an OEM part.

I'm not much of a gambler, I'd rather pay twice as much, than have twice the problems. I hate paying an excise tax in time and headaches. Mean Green makes a starter for my 2.5 that looks like a quality part...

Unless one of U can educate me further. Thx, David
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Unread 10-03-2007, 03:40 PM   #7
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Well I've approached this question many times before, and I dont know if my conclusion is complete, but it's the best I've come up with so far.

When I used to work in an auto parts store I saw rebuilt Alternators and Starters come back routinely. In the past I've had some problems with cheap forign parts house parts. I hate having to do a job twice. I started trying to buy OEM, but when they're Avail, the price is pretty high.

It depends on the part I'm trying to replace. I've found on numerous occassions I can buy a Perf equivalent made in the good ole USA for less than the price of an OEM part.

I'm not much of a gambler, I'd rather pay twice as much, than have twice the problems. I hate paying an excise tax in time and headaches. Mean Green makes a starter for my 2.5 that looks like a quality part...

Unless one of U can educate me further. Thx, David
I agree with your logic. Do it once right. Now.. I myself must be quite lucky, or my local parts dealer (not one of the "chain" stores) whom I have bought my parts from for several decades, offers quality parts because I have never ever had a starter, alternator or any other reman. part go bad on me. And I have replaced more of them than I care to think about.

BUT if I am not this lucky, then I have to wonder about all the comments I read about reman. parts going poof in no time flat, or being bad from the get-go. Are they actual experiences or just passed along stories?

What about your personal experience in this area? Have you ever had a reman part you just installed fail to work or take a dump soon thereafter?
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i just had my remaned starter crap out, it made it just under a year. the replacemet is free becuase the old one was still under warranty.
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Duralast Gold at Autozone are not remans, they are new. Also with a lifetime warranty.
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Unread 10-04-2007, 10:35 AM   #10
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What about your personal experience in this area? Have you ever had a reman part you just installed fail to work or take a dump soon thereafter?
I must admit, I havent had any rebuilts crap out... After seeing guys sweating grease under their fingernails coming back wit a Re-Man Starter or Alt twice and very occassionally a third time when I worked @ the auto parts store, I formed an opinion I've carried with me for years. But that doesn't make it accurate.

People tell themselves all manner of stories to make them feel warm and fuzzy in a world where most of what happens to us is out of our sphere of influence. This may jus be another example of me blowing smoke up my own tailpipe?

Hope that Mean Green Starter I just ordered was made in the US! I'm sure it must have been? Yea, das right... Made in the good ole USA! D.
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Unread 10-04-2007, 01:14 PM   #11
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I also worked in a parts store (advance auto / parts america) . The return rate on alternators was astounding. They are definitely cheap junk. They don't rebuild them they find the problem and replace the part that is causing the problem plus a good cleaning/bead blasting. Starters weren't as bad but still a hi rate of return. After a while of this we would test the new alternator/starter out of the box on the bench. Sometimes they were truly junk out of the box. Chris
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