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post #1 of 20 Old 02-01-2013, 07:37 AM Thread Starter
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12.36 MPG Help

So I have read some threads and here is where I am. 1994 4.0 177000 miles, K&N, New thermostat, electric fan, new water pump. Seems to have a decent tune up. Runs well. 33's with 4.10's I installed a 35 tooth speedo gear.. I checked with both a gps and calculated RPM in gear and it is dead on. Based on the dash gauge I cant get the engine temp above 150 or 160 when driving. So am I in open loop mode getting crappy mileage. I anticipate a complete tune up to include cleaning the throttle body and replacing the O2 sensor. It does not show any codes, I hate throwing money at a problem. Any advise or suggestions would be appreciated.

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post #2 of 20 Old 02-01-2013, 08:02 AM
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Dash guage is garbage. Check to see if the fan clutch is stuck. Take out the thermostat and put it in a pot of water and heat it and see what temp it opens. The thermostat sounds like the problem but the guage on the cluster should be checked against the radiator. Keep in mind there is about a 10 degree difference but not 30. You could look inside the radiator and use the thermometer and check to see what the temp is when you coolant starts to flow. Also you can verify the temp on both your guage and the front sensor with a meter by checking the resistance. It is possible that the guage sensor or the engine temp sensor are wrong/bad. I just threw everything at you. Don't get overwellmed by the info. It is an easy one to figure out. Don't do the O2 sensor until you know the cooling system is functioning right. It would just be a waste of money.
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post #3 of 20 Old 02-01-2013, 03:59 PM Thread Starter
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I replaced the thermostat, I replaced the sensor in the thermostat housing. I have an adjustable thermostat electric fan. I checked the temp with my laser tester and it was tracking close. I dont know what else needs to be done to keep the temp up during driving. The ambient temp is around 45 F. The cooling system appears to be working. I dont get it

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post #4 of 20 Old 02-01-2013, 04:05 PM
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I'd imagine 45* might have a play on your system. Is the thermostat the correct temperature?

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post #5 of 20 Old 02-01-2013, 09:50 PM
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I gave you the list. Thermostat is opening too early. Needs to be at 185. Or the fan is coming on too early.
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post #6 of 20 Old 02-02-2013, 01:04 AM
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You have my symptoms. And my solution is the thermostat for fact. My temp is your temp and my mileage sucks.

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post #7 of 20 Old 02-02-2013, 11:16 AM Thread Starter
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I replaced the thermostat. It is a 195 fail safe unit from auto zone. I adjusted the fan to come on at roughly 190 but when driving it cools down and doesn't get warm, so far. I am not sure what to do next

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post #8 of 20 Old 02-02-2013, 11:21 AM Thread Starter
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How do you know where you are with respect to the ECU if no check engine light is on?

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post #9 of 20 Old 02-11-2013, 07:11 PM Thread Starter
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I was told the fail safe units do not hold temp well. I have now replaced back to a new stant 195 unit. on a 94 wrangler there are 2 temp sensors. One on the back of the head reports to the gauge, the other in the water neck reports to the ECU. I dont know why the temp wont stay up. I dont know what to do

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post #10 of 20 Old 02-12-2013, 09:55 AM
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Fail safe thermostats suck.
Get a stant or oem.

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Use Stant or Robertshaw for cooling system stuff.

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Sorry to hi-jack your thread.

I am wondering if cooler temps means worse gas mileage for wranglers. Reason I ask is that is the same temp my gauge reads while driving and my gas mileage sucks at 10-11.4mpg
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Sorry to hi-jack your thread.

I am wondering if cooler temps means worse gas mileage for wranglers. Reason I ask is that is the same temp my gauge reads while driving and my gas mileage sucks at 10-11.4mpg
Yes, as he has a wrangler that would be the conclusion you may draw from this and several hundred other threads like it.
It might not be your only problem, but it is a big one.

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I noticed a drop due to winter mix gas. And the cooler temp.
In the summer i was getting flatline 20. right now i get anywhere between 14-18
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It will go down some due to the cooler outside temps and winter gas mix. But not *that* much. Example, my 4-banger went from 20 MPG's down to ~18 MPG's. Getting less than 15 is usually a sign of something wrong bigtime. In this cast the cooling system thermostat. FWIW I just replaced my radiator and T-stat with the best that NAPA had last summer, and it holds rock steady at 200F. Total cost was about $180.

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