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Unread 12-15-2009, 04:30 PM   #16
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The Liberty CRDs were killed by US emissions laws

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Unread 12-15-2009, 04:34 PM   #17
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The 2.8L diesel they're putting in the Wrangler is an updated version of the old Liberty diesel. It features a new block and wiring harness. It's a turbocharged CRD, and is very popular already among global Wrangler buyers.

The Liberty diesel failed because Chrysler didn't advertise the damn thing-even among Jeepers, most people were stunned to find out that the Liberty-Grand Cherokee, too-even had a diesel. They've already done more advertising for the Wrangler diesel, and there's 60 years of pent-up demand for one waiting to be unleashed on it. Stack that with all the Jeepers driving aging TJs and YJs but unhappy with the 3.8L V6 who'll buy a new JK either when the diesel drops in '11 or the Pentastar drops in '12, and the Wrangler's gonna have a good few years.
(And the last few haven't exactly been unkind either! Prepare to be drowinging in Wranglers in 3...2...1...)

Fiat said in their presentation that they DO plan on introducing new Wrangler derivatives. They didn't say what, or when, but the rumour mill is speculating that a 'lite' version of the J8-basically a J8 offered on the regular Wrangler suspension and interior, instead of the stripped-out, heavy-duty build of the military one, may be offered in a few years. So, new Scrambler. No confirmation, just mutterings propelled along by the odd person 'in the know', but it's plausible. Same goes for the Gladiator, although a new Scrambler is more plausible.
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Unread 12-15-2009, 04:36 PM   #18
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ThunderbirdJunkie will take a diesel half cab JK8 with an NSG370, thank you.

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Yeah, that's it. That's gonna be the justification!
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Unread 12-15-2009, 04:36 PM   #19
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The only problem with the CRD's that were in the Liberty and the Grand Cherokee is that the engine option was much more expensive (over $5k, I think). Combined mileage was 21 for the Liberty vs 17 for the 3.8, but the cost differential plus America's aversion to diesels, (thanks to GM) meant that they did not sell very well and you could not sell them in CA and the North East because they did not meet emissions. But seeing that the JK will be getting a diesel will finally make me look twice at trading my TJ when the time comes.
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Unread 12-15-2009, 05:33 PM   #20
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Don't blame GM for the noisy and smelly eurotrash diesel cars we got here.
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Unread 12-15-2009, 06:13 PM   #21
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I wouldn't call a VW Jetta or a BMW 3-Series smelly or Eurotrash. Hell, those are two bad-*** cars right there! My Wrangler's trashier and smellier then either of them.

I mean, I like it, but still.

Anyways, T-Bird, a thought occurred, regarding your desire for a chassis-cab Wrangler.

People have seen J8 testing mules running around with Jeep badges on it-not AEV ones, because the AEV ones are completely debadged.

Land Rover, which offers the Defender as a chassis cab and has a decent chunk of the light commercial vehicle market, is pussif-er, reworking the Defender to a suspension system closer to that of the LR3. That'll likely kill it competition in the commercial market.

Fiat wants to make Jeep their big global brand.

Fiat wants to make more Wrangler derivatives.

The J8 features rear leaf springs and Dana 60 axels.

Jeep is talking to the US Army to see if there's any interest here in the J8.

The J8's engine is obviously NA-spec'd now (It uses the same 2.8L diesel)

It's not a hard leap to see how it could be offered as a chassis cab vehicle for use by military and civilian applications...
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Unread 12-15-2009, 06:17 PM   #22
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That's a good thought. Was really hoping they weren't going to castrate the Defender line, but oh well...progress, right?

Would obviously prefer a leaf sprung rear D60'd J8 half cab (cuz, uh...vintage Japanese motorcycles are soooooooo heavy ), but would settle for coils. According to a guy in Australia that's got a CRD Unlimited, it's already got a D60 with coils out back already.

And also, was referring to something more along the lines of the 83 VW Rabbit or '85 Escort diesel than a modern BlueTec Mercedes or a BMW when saying Eurotrash. The diesels have come a long way in the last couple decades, but the diesels of the 80s are just AWFUL
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Unread 12-15-2009, 06:25 PM   #23
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EVERYTHING automotive in the '80s was awful.
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Unread 12-15-2009, 06:29 PM   #24
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Dunno, paying a couple grand or even $3K PREMIUM to get onlymarginal better mileage and MORE expensive fuel doesn't sound like a big seller to me, for the "power hogs" sure but, 80%-90%~ of buyers will probbaly opt for 3.8L gas engine and save the $$$...IMHO...
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Unread 12-15-2009, 06:53 PM   #25
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In Canada, it makes a lot of sense. Right now, diesel is about $0.10/L cheaper, and generally stays about there, so even at $4000 I can pay off the diesel in a few years.

But the real advantage...look at that torque! That makes the beloved I6 look like an anemic hamster on a wheel!
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Unread 12-15-2009, 07:05 PM   #26
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me wanty. id definitely take a j8 with a diesel. even with an auto trans
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Unread 12-15-2009, 11:26 PM   #27
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Just hope all three wrangler versions get the diesel in 010
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Unread 12-15-2009, 11:34 PM   #28
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it's going to happen for the '11 model year, although mid '10 would be a cool surprise

And yeah, if there's no pickup-esque variation in the lineup, ThunderbirdJunkie will gladly take the 545RFE or NSG370 parked behind that 2.8 CRD.
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Unread 12-17-2009, 09:05 AM   #29
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I'm surprised that people think the CRD Liberty was a failure. Chrysler (Jeep) hoped to sell 5000 CRD Liberty's. Actual sales were double that.

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5000 is a REALLY low bar, though, considering annual sales of the Liberty were tens of thousands at the time. It wasn't a failure, but it could have been so much better.
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