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Unread 01-23-2014, 11:40 AM   #1
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Why? Why? Why?

As some as you know are ready we are getting a Diesel for the Wrangler in later '15 as a '16 model before the JK's get their "Refresh".

As most of you know...if you have owned a quite a few or have been selling them for a long time like me (Since the Square Headlight days) we are do for a change. Wranglers run in 10 year spurts. The CJ's, YJ's, TJ's and now the JK family.

Ok, great we get a oil burner in the states finally!!! But with the "CAFE" standards we maybe losing a great piece of what makes our Jeep a Jeep...The solid axles maybe going away for a independent suspension "to lighten it up".

Sometimes if it ain't broke. Don't try to fix it. Maybe I'll just wheel a Compass then...

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Unread 01-23-2014, 12:24 PM   #2
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Because 99% of rubicons never see anything but pavement. Ifs rides better, so they will likely sell more of them and make more money than they would by keeping a solid axle that lots of people who wheel want but havent bought a new jeep on 20 years.

And for those that do offroad, 90% of them will be served just fine by an ifs. Its a real minority of people that need 44 inch tires and run the hardest trails around. And most of them will have ditched the d30 anyway.
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Because 99% of rubicons never see anything but pavement. Ifs rides better, so they will likely sell more of them and make more money than they would by keeping a solid axle that lots of people who wheel want but havent bought a new jeep on 20 years.

And for those that do offroad, 90% of them will be served just fine by an ifs. Its a real minority of people that need 44 inch tires and run the hardest trails around. And most of them will have ditched the d30 anyway.
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Your post is a different dialect of English, so I may not be translating/interpreting it correctly. Where is the confirmation that the forthcoming Wrangler will come with an IFS? Link to Chrysler PR or other official statement?
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IFS and Unibody... coming to a (Mall Rated) Wrangler near you!

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Unread 01-23-2014, 07:32 PM   #6
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Your post is a different dialect of English, so I may not be translating/interpreting it correctly. Where is the confirmation that the forthcoming Wrangler will come with an IFS? Link to Chrysler PR or other official statement?
I will post the statement from Jeep. I gotta cut off their phone numbers at headquarters. Parts of it can be googled. I think Autoblog has some of it on their site.

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Unread 01-23-2014, 08:48 PM   #7
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There is no statement. Only conjecture.

Sure, most people don't need a solid axle, but I believe it's a selling point; either consciously or subconsciously. Offroad enthusiasts buy the Wrangler because it's the best platform for building an offroad vehicle. The aftermarket recognizes this and provides a ridiculous amount of add on parts. This creates an image for the Wrangler that people who don't offroad will pay money to have.

Take away the solid axle, and you're left with an FJ. There aren't hundreds of aftermarket suppliers creating an image for the FJ. There's not nearly the demand for an IFS offroad vehicle.
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Unread 01-23-2014, 10:48 PM   #8
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If you interviewed every person that bought a jeep this year why, i doubt the words solid axle would come up 10 times. Most wouldnt even know the difference. Hell, most dealers dont. the wrangler bodystyle has been a staple since he week after the wheel was invented. Thats why the aftermarket is huge. 99% of it is nothing but cosmetic improvements.
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Unread 01-24-2014, 06:27 PM   #9
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ha! now I'm not saying I don't love our cherokee or that I haven't seen a few good looking cherokees, but either you are giving your xj too much credit or you've done 4x4'd yourself retarded, girls don't drop em for cherokees, now wranglers on the other hand...:rofl:
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To many "upgrades" and it will be only for the rich. Joe Dirt won't be able to wheel them. Kind of sad.
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I would love to see Jeep put an IFS on the Wrangler. They know how important it is to not screw up the Wrangler, so if they do end up going to IFS you know for sure it'll be done well.
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http://auto.howstuffworks.com/jeep-hurricane.htm

Ya, IFS sucks.
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Unread 02-17-2014, 09:08 AM   #13
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"With more than 14 inches (36 cm) of ground clearance and 20 inches (51 cm) of suspension travel, the Hurricane is in a class of its own when it comes to off-road capability. As Zetsche said at the 2005 Detroit Auto Show, "To put that into perspective, the clearance is 5 inches higher and the articulation is almost triple that of our most off-road-capable Jeep production vehicle."
The four-wheel independent short/long-arm suspension system is dampened by coilover shocks with remote reservoirs (this allows for longer travel in the shock). The 20-inch wheels hold specially designed off-roading tires that are 37 inches tall. Chrysler reports an approach angle of 64 degrees and a departure angle of 86.7 degrees."
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Yeh there was a big ruckus about the Camaro going IRS in 2010.....its worked out pretty well IMHO.
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The Ford Raptor is rolling proof that a factory production vehicle with IFS can still be an absolutely competent vehicle on and off-road. IF the next Wrangler goes IFS, trust in Jeep's engineering department to do a good job of it.

That being said-will the next-gen Wrangler go IFS? Probably not. Between aerodynamic improvements and lighter materials (See stuff like the Pork Chop concept), plus the diesel and the 8-speed transmission, the Wrangler should be able to sneak in under the aerodynamics bar-although it's more likely that we'll lose the folding windshield for the next generation.

But, will the Wrangler after that be able to carry on with solid axles? I doubt it.

Will it be a little unfortunate? Definitely. Will it be the end of the Wrangler? Hell no. If anything, it'll sell even better, because every time the Wrangler's gotten more civilized, it's sold better. (TJ outsold YJ, JK has outsold both combined, with the Unlimited alone virtually doubling sales figures)
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