Why not a Full Time 4x4 WRANGLER

preniantia · 11-17-2009, 10:54 AM

I appreciate the fulltime wheel drive of my KJ and i don't understand why JEEP don't do it on WRANGLER (like LAND ROVER Defender) : very safety on slippery road?
More i dream of a Wrangler with an engine with much lighter consumption,
but same torque, a better automatic gearbox, and a higher "ground clearance" and of course a RUBICON version.
I hope FIAT his able to help JEEP to do this!

yellowford · 11-17-2009, 02:14 PM

Normally having the all wheel drive function leads to more parts to break as well as less gas mileage.

XJ2Timer · 11-17-2009, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by yellowford

Normally having the all wheel drive function leads to more parts to break as well as less gas mileage.

I think the OP means like the 242 transfer case that was an option on XJ Cherokees. Full time High (AWD), Part time High, Part time Low and 2 Wheel drive. Since everything in the front of the JK is spinning anyway, fuel mileage wouldn't be too different. Using a 242 would still allow 2WD, you would just add the option of AWD on paved roads that are wet or have patchy ice or snow.

T-birdJunkie · 11-18-2009, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by XJ2Timer

I think the OP means like the 242 transfer case that was an option on XJ Cherokees. Full time High (AWD), Part time High, Part time Low and 2 Wheel drive. Since everything in the front of the JK is spinning anyway, fuel mileage wouldn't be too different. Using a 242 would still allow 2WD, you would just add the option of AWD on paved roads that are wet or have patchy ice or snow.

Going to agree with what yellowford said.

preniantia, as the old saying goes, you can wish in one hand and poop in the other. We've been saying the exact same thing about Jeeps since the dawn of the CJ. Don't hold your breath, bud.

Also, it's not like Land Rovers suck any less fuel than a comparably equipped Jeep

preniantia · 11-19-2009, 01:37 AM

Yes my KJ has the 242 transfer. I think it 's very useful i add the option only on paved roads that are wet or have patchy ice or snow.
My first 4x4 was only a 2 Wheel drive on road and i crash a small part of it on a wet road (but certainly icy also) so I don't fully agree on "more parts to break"

I drive a lot on mountain road with lot of bends and more or less snow so in Full Time selection the "open" differential is more safe for the transfer case.

Pathkiller · 12-05-2009, 07:11 PM

CJ7's had the BW1339 Quadratrac fulltime transfer case as an option from 76 to 79. It's not a well understood t-case and is maligned by the uninformed and those who have never owned one, but is much loved by the people who own them. The fuel economy difference is extremely negligible, especially given that modern JK's don't have disconnecting hubs of any kind and the axles/driveshaft are always turning anyway. The aerodynamics of a brick and very aerodynamically "dirty" undercarriage have a lot more to do with a Jeep's fuel economy than fulltime 4x4 does.

winkosmosis · 12-07-2009, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by XJ2Timer

I think the OP means like the 242 transfer case that was an option on XJ Cherokees. Full time High (AWD), Part time High, Part time Low and 2 Wheel drive. Since everything in the front of the JK is spinning anyway, fuel mileage wouldn't be too different. Using a 242 would still allow 2WD, you would just add the option of AWD on paved roads that are wet or have patchy ice or snow.

Exactly, there is no gas mileage penalty for full time 4WD. That's a myth in the modern days of non switchable hubs.

Full time is good for rain, ice, and hard pack trails! Part time isn't, and is dangerous on a rainy or icy road.

T-birdJunkie · 12-07-2009, 08:55 PM

Why would you use 4wd on a rainy road at all?

winkosmosis · 12-07-2009, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by T-birdJunkie

Why would you use 4wd on a rainy road at all?

Because you can apply more throttle without losing traction since torque is spread between 4 wheels instead of 2.

T-birdJunkie · 12-07-2009, 10:37 PM

ThunderbirdJunkie can liberally apply throttle at any speed in wet weather. This has gone for every 4x4 he's owned.
If you have problems, you should have better tires.
Granted, he grew up in Michigan driving 80s Thunderbirds with a CJ parked in the winter. If you need more than two driven wheels during inclement weather, you should probably hang up your keys and hire a chauffer.

cheapjeeps85 · 12-08-2009, 10:34 AM

burn outs that would kill them

242much · 12-08-2009, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by winkosmosis

Because you can apply more throttle without losing traction since torque is spread between 4 wheels instead of 2.

heh, you must be driving a v8 jeep, my jk doesn't spin tires. ever.

**BriansCJ** · 12-08-2009, 08:12 PM

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heh, you must be driving a v8 jeep, my jk doesn't spin tires. ever.

My Jeep has a V8 hehe.

I would love to see the 242 in a wrangler but ill keep the NV241 in the Rubi for now.

I like the idea of full time, part time, 4LO, and 2wd.

**tobias94yj** · 12-08-2009, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by T-birdJunkie

ThunderbirdJunkie can liberally apply throttle at any speed in wet weather. This has gone for every 4x4 he's owned.
If you have problems, you should have better tires.
Granted, he grew up in Michigan driving 80s Thunderbirds with a CJ parked in the winter. If you need more than two driven wheels during inclement weather, you should probably hang up your keys and hire a chauffer.

I had a roommate in the 90's from Ohio who would go on about how they got so much more snow in ohio than we get here in east TN and how people here did not know how to drive in the snow. well the first little decent snow we got that year he ended up calling me to come pick him up because he put his car in a ditch. then he went on and on about how we don't plow and salt the roads like they do up there, i don't even think the county owned a slow plow then. when we actually do get snow here I guarantee that a rear wheel drive t-bird would not get out of my driveway. I have got stuck with a front wheel drive.

I don't need full time 4 wheel drive because I adjust my driving to the road conditions but I think one of the best things on the JK rubicon is selectable ABS. I am a firm believer in ABS for onroad but it can get dangerous offroad.

doherty80 · 12-09-2009, 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by 242much

heh, you must be driving a v8 jeep, my jk doesn't spin tires. ever.

really? whats the fun in that. my yj has mud terrains on it and the other day i tore through a snow bank doing donuts

it was fun to say the least how do you own a jeep whose rear wheels wanna stay put??? personally no offense i think jk is to domesticated. my girlfriend could drive one but a tj and def yj and cj is purelly balls to the walls. and to add onto whats being said above have awd all the time is good only if your jeep is strictly road if you plan on taking it off road thats just a pain. i feel like i have much more control without awd all the time. espicially with a manual trans which gives you even more control

Doherty80