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Unread 11-21-2011, 12:00 AM   #91
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just wondering but why did you buy a jeep
I would think the same reason you did l love jeeps !

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Unread 11-21-2011, 12:02 AM   #92
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I would think the same reason you did l love jeeps !
is your jeep 4wd?
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Unread 11-21-2011, 12:09 AM   #93
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is your jeep 4wd?
Yes it is and I love the way it is with the v6 but I was only say that other people mite like more motors to pic from ? And it was a good post about me being a six year old the wife calls me a two year old all the time lol
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Unread 11-21-2011, 12:47 AM   #94
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because theres not a big enough demand for diesels & jeep would loose a lot of money
Are you talking about the USA or all over the world. as I have been in to mackay in the last week and all you see is diesel JGC here in oz ? I have the v6 3.6 and all the JGC that have started to come on the roads are diesels . Have only seen one v8
;( 14L to20L for 100km is turning people to the v6,s lol
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Unread 11-21-2011, 01:11 AM   #95
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i agree use a cummins isf, the new common rails run much smoother, quiter, make more power, use less fuel and cummins are about the easiest diesel to work on as diesels become more and more advanced. i have worked on big bore cummins from the 855s to the isx 15s and they are jsut getting better and better. havent messed with the smaller ones but would expect nothing less from cummins........

IMO offer a 4 cyl cummins isf, v6 gasser and a v8 gasser.
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Unread 11-21-2011, 01:55 AM   #96
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are you talking about the usa or all over the world. As i have been in to mackay in the last week and all you see is diesel jgc here in oz ? I have the v6 3.6 and all the jgc that have started to come on the roads are diesels . Have only seen one v8
;( 14l to20l for 100km is turning people to the v6,s lol
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In oz the numbers for jeeps sales is 5 to around 1 ! 5 diesel to 1 petrol
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In oz the numbers for jeeps sales is 5 to around 1 ! 5 diesel to 1 petrol
not a lot of people in the us buy diesels for daily comuting, mostly for pulling or working, the would not be a big enough demand for jeep to have more than 1 diesel
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not a lot of people in the us buy diesels for daily comuting, mostly for pulling or working, the would not be a big enough demand for jeep to have more than 1 diesel
Ok but it would be interesting to see the numbers around the world ,diesel to petrol ? Because diesel has always had more numbers sold to petrol in oz and I am talking about all 4x4,s on the market ! Because of L to 100km diesels have the lions share of the market in oz . And we only get 4x4 JGC in oz
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not a lot of people in the us buy diesels for daily comuting, mostly for pulling or working, the would not be a big enough demand for jeep to have more than 1 diesel
why do you think that is?

maybe because the only ones you can find in this country are worthless, loaded up with gobs of useless emissions garbage, and carry a HUGE price tag over top of the normal petrol engine.

Not to mention aside from the Dodge truck none of the vehicles that offer diesel in the US are even remotely attractive to me (and It seems many of the people that would consider it)
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Unread 11-22-2011, 10:41 AM   #102
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International built a tractor with a v-8 diesel. It was a huge flop. I myself have worked around and on diesel engines. If you notice your big v-8's are in mostly industrial equipment. Maybe we need a truck driver to share some input. V-8 lack torque, not all but most, that inlines have. There's really no argument. Its just not practical.
There is no comparisson, I drive a 68,000 pound (almost 20x heavier than a tj) truck for work, it has a straight 6 cylinder cat diesel. I think that the best engine possible for a jeep would be a small 4 cylinder turbo diesel. No V8 no V6 for sure, and there is no reason for a straight 6. If I could afford the swap I would be putting a vw tdi motor in my jeep because I think even the cummins 4bt is overkill, a smaller, lighter engine would be more than enough for me. But to go with the original post if jeep came out with a 4 door jk with a 3.7 diesel (or smaller) I would be on the preorder list.

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Unread 11-22-2011, 04:42 PM   #103
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why do you think that is?

maybe because the only ones you can find in this country are worthless, loaded up with gobs of useless emissions garbage, and carry a HUGE price tag over top of the normal petrol engine.

Not to mention aside from the Dodge truck none of the vehicles that offer diesel in the US are even remotely attractive to me (and It seems many of the people that would consider it)
there is no way jeep is going to come out with a line up of diesels to pick from
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there is no way jeep is going to come out with a line up of diesels to pick from
I think you missed the point.

diesel in the US (jeep and non jeep) in the car / suv market.... doesn't have the volume "people don't buy diesel"

my point was.. because the auto makers put them in the expensive model, and charge extra for them, so much extra that the fuel savings and economy of it doesn't make sense and people in the US can't justify it so sales are lower.

Auto makers decide what "people" are going to buy years in advance, then adjust price and production quantity to match what they want to produce... Don't believe me? try to buy a stripped down base model at a Chevy Dealership. most (around me anyway) will have to order it, and for only a couple hundred more you can have this other one that is on the lot and has x, y and z.

The US auto market does not have Diesel because the auto makers don't want us to.

(in essence I'm agreeing with you that we won't see a jeep diesel lineup...)
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Unread 11-22-2011, 10:39 PM   #105
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I think you missed the point.

diesel in the US (jeep and non jeep) in the car / suv market.... doesn't have the volume "people don't buy diesel"

my point was.. because the auto makers put them in the expensive model, and charge extra for them, so much extra that the fuel savings and economy of it doesn't make sense and people in the US can't justify it so sales are lower.

Auto makers decide what "people" are going to buy years in advance, then adjust price and production quantity to match what they want to produce... Don't believe me? try to buy a stripped down base model at a Chevy Dealership. most (around me anyway) will have to order it, and for only a couple hundred more you can have this other one that is on the lot and has x, y and z.

The US auto market does not have Diesel because the auto makers don't want us to.

(in essence I'm agreeing with you that we won't see a jeep diesel lineup...)
But the market in Australia is around the over way more diesels are sold to petrols ! But don't know about world wide I am talking about 4x4,s they are sold more as diesels as it is Cheeper to run then petrol in Australia ? I am looking at the world market not USA only ? And in the bigger jeeps as the GC is not small
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