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Unread 06-09-2009, 03:32 PM   #31
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Here is the link to a very damning article that provides insight into environmental damage from this underpowered piece of junk:

http://clubs.ccsu.edu/recorder/edito...asp?NewsID=188

100K miles for a liefspan sounds about right based on what you will find on eBay. Prius owners know their vehicle is not made to last. They get rid of them soon after the novelty wears off and they see that other vehicles are passing them with ease.

The Prius is akin to the cheap junk foreign imports of the late 1980's, like the Renault Encore. The only problem is this time someone will have to figure out what to do with millions of toxic batteries. Maybe they can be dumped near the Prius factory and be used as obstacles for the moon rover in the aforementioned article. How about a nice Lego-like crater made from old Prius batteries?
there was an article, which unfortunately I cannot current lay eyes on, that was in the British papers quoting EU scientists that say the Wrangler is actually one of the greenest cars on the planet due to the fact they stay on the road the longest, uses some of the most efficient processes to manufacturer, is almost completely recyclable, and actually uses quite a bit of recyclable material...the only place it suffers is actual fuel economy. Toyota, of course, denies that their "green machine" is not really that green when you factor in energy to manufacturer and disposal of batteries...but it is food for thought....

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Unread 06-10-2009, 03:31 AM   #32
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Here is the link to a very damning article that provides insight into environmental damage from this underpowered piece of junk:

http://clubs.ccsu.edu/recorder/edito...asp?NewsID=188

100K miles for a liefspan sounds about right based on what you will find on eBay. Prius owners know their vehicle is not made to last. They get rid of them soon after the novelty wears off and they see that other vehicles are passing them with ease.

The Prius is akin to the cheap junk foreign imports of the late 1980's, like the Renault Encore. The only problem is this time someone will have to figure out what to do with millions of toxic batteries. Maybe they can be dumped near the Prius factory and be used as obstacles for the moon rover in the aforementioned article. How about a nice Lego-like crater made from old Prius batteries?
100k miles for a Prius and 300k for a H2? Yeah right.
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Unread 06-10-2009, 06:43 AM   #33
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there was an article, which unfortunately I cannot current lay eyes on, that was in the British papers quoting EU scientists that say the Wrangler is actually one of the greenest cars on the planet due to the fact they stay on the road the longest, uses some of the most efficient processes to manufacturer, is almost completely recyclable, and actually uses quite a bit of recyclable material...the only place it suffers is actual fuel economy. Toyota, of course, denies that their "green machine" is not really that green when you factor in energy to manufacturer and disposal of batteries...but it is food for thought....
Ive read the same article, it states that "dust to dust" the wrangler is the greenest vehicle on earth, requiring the least amount of materials to build, and the easiest vehicle to breakdown/recycle, on top of its prolonged longevity. Basically, its scientists telling us what we already know. That we, as Wrangler owners, are smarter than everyone else. Take that Al Gore.
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Unread 06-10-2009, 07:33 AM   #34
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Unread 06-10-2009, 09:43 AM   #35
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Unread 06-11-2009, 02:54 PM   #36
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Well, some day when i get a 4bt I can make it even greener
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Unread 06-12-2009, 03:36 AM   #37
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there was an article, which unfortunately I cannot current lay eyes on, that was in the British papers quoting EU scientists that say the Wrangler is actually one of the greenest cars on the planet
I'd love to see that article. Here in Finland Wranglers are taxed an insane amount - a Compass (to give you a reference point, this is the cheapest Jeep available here) has a starting price of about 25k€ but Wranglers start at 52k€ (two door model). One of the excuses given for the taxes is environmentalism.
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there was an article, which unfortunately I cannot current lay eyes on, that was in the British papers quoting EU scientists that say the Wrangler is actually one of the greenest cars on the planet due to the fact they stay on the road the longest, uses some of the most efficient processes to manufacturer, is almost completely recyclable, and actually uses quite a bit of recyclable material...the only place it suffers is actual fuel economy. Toyota, of course, denies that their "green machine" is not really that green when you factor in energy to manufacturer and disposal of batteries...but it is food for thought....
That article has been thoroughly debunked as full of crap, since the amount of energy in production and recycling a vehicle is only 20% of a vehicle's lifetime energy consumption, and the Wrangler's meh-at-best fuel economy isn't doing it any favours for the other 80%.

That said, the premise is solid-the Wrangler IS the cleanest vehicle to build and dispose of-simple stamped-metal body panels (And not very many of them), simple components and a user community that makes sure pretty much any Wrangler part that still works finds a new home. Wranglers never die, they just get stripped for parts.
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