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post #1 of 38 Old 05-21-2009, 04:43 PM Thread Starter
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What will the new Cafe/EPA do to Wrangler

I think by 2016, we will see Wranglers with fiberglass and corbon bodies, using Diesel and /or CNG engines ,along with gasoline powered motors, the battery powered motors want work until we get atom fueled power stations up and working. Note : Fiat makes diesels that can run on both CNG and diesel fuel.

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post #2 of 38 Old 05-21-2009, 06:21 PM
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Are you really going to make me wait till 2016 for the diesel!?!?

If you can't get there by a Jeep, why would you go?
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post #3 of 38 Old 05-22-2009, 12:28 AM
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Not much, I doubt-the Patriot and the Compass keep Jeep's average mileage up pretty high as it is, they're probably pretty close to the new CAFE standards anyways.

(Every vehicle doesn't have to have the minimum, just a fleet average).

Still, there's whispers that the new 5L diesel Cummins is developing now for the 2010 Ram may be finding its way into the Wrangler as well, and if it doesn't, one of Fiat's small diesels or the 3L CRD in the Grand Cherokee probably will. The Wrangler EV is already set for 2010 (Dunno if that's model year or actual year), and that should set it.

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The requirement isn't per brand, but per carmaker. So the CAFE standard applies to all of Chrysler

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Subaru has got a diesel coming. It would be nice to see a Wrangler, or better yet, a Wrangler based truck with a small 2 liter diesel.
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The Subaru diesel is probably a flat 4 right?

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The Subaru diesel is probably a flat 4 right?
You can read about it here: http://www.boxerdiesel.com

Subaru makes a good AWD and in the right conditions, Soob's are unbeatable. But when it comes to serious off-roading, there is Jeep and then there is everything else (and I doubt anyone here will debate that ).

I want to say the Soob diesel gets 37mpg. If you could get a hold of one and drop it into something like the modern MUTT, you would have a really fun vehicle that wouldn't break the bank to drive.
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Well chrysler at one time could have used a VW diesel, but that time has pasted. Now chrysler is to be controlled by Fiat, and fiat makes the best diesels in the world, and has build two diesel for the USA market a 1.5 or 2.? and a 3.0 ,both can use diesel fuel and CNG ( compressed natural gas ) to run on, so i would think they will get them into some chrysler vehicles as soon as they can?, they Do need to pass all of our Govt tests ., do you know when the 09 year ends and the 010 model year starts ? All the talk is about 011 and 012 models ! I hope the new EPA/cafe standers will cause chrysler/fiat to rush their diesels into jeeps

Note: if you want a diesel or something made better or change on your future Jeep, you just need to let Chrysler/Fiat Corp HQ know by doing towww.chryslerllc.com/en/ and just let them know, i just did .

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post #9 of 38 Old 05-25-2009, 01:33 PM
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It will have ZERO impact on MY Wrangler and I have no intentions of every selling it or my Harley. Two things I have purchased in my life that I have been totally satisified with and still enjoy and look forward to riding/driving.
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it just means that we will probably finally see the availability of a diesel and perhaps more gear choices in our transmissions...

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But not in 2010 yoda13 . On the 010 wrangler you will see very minimal changes and new features, pretty much identical to 09 model I don't know about the 011 model year,but the pilot model could be completed by now without a diesel engine. if so then ,look for a Fiat diesel in the 012 model year

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I didn't say it was going to be the upcoming model year...

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But not in 2010 yoda13 . On the 010 wrangler you will see very minimal changes and new features, pretty much identical to 09 model I don't know about the 011 model year,but the pilot model could be completed by now without a diesel engine. if so then ,look for a Fiat diesel in the 012 model year

Yeah, but the real question is will they make the Wrangler smaller as to take advantage of a small 2 liter diesel. As a general rule, car manufacturers across the board, never make the vehicle smaller. They'll make a new vehicle and start it small, but I doubt very much that they'd ever build the Wrangler closer to the original size (you know, the one that performed so well for the Army!)
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I don't believe we will see more diesels in the United States without major changes in state specific enviro-wacko policies. CA, MA and a couple of other states have been the hold up on light duty diesels for more than a few years. VW for example had big plans for small turbo diesels across most of the platforms as recent as a year or two ago, but the left leaning state govts simply wouldn't buy off on it, so VW backed away from that.

As the Obama regime continues to have the EPA mimick CA standards for everyone, less rather than more diesel engines seem likely. He wants you to drive an electric/pixie dust/unicorn fart powered crap box, and with essential control over two and a half auto manufacturers I would argue that he will get his way for now.

Small turbo diesels powered by biodiesel and bioblends is an obvious medium term low hanging fruit solution for merging away from petroleum based fuels to anyone with even a moderate grasp on the situation. That isn't the issue in all this; it's about controlling a social agenda. period.

Elections have consequences folks. This is precisely the "Hope and Change" that the radical left wing Mr. Obama hails from desires for you.

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Amen to that, too bad more people don't realize diesel isn't as bad as it used to be. It is a shame that more aren't educated as to the advances in fuel techs and instead force gayness on the rest of us
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