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post #16 of 24 Old 06-11-2011, 04:41 PM
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What ever happened to compact trucks anyway? Seems like a lot of people want compact trucks but all the manufacturers keep killing them off. It's strange.


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post #17 of 24 Old 06-11-2011, 07:38 PM
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The JK-8 Independence, Is a 4Dr. Wrangler based "truck-kit" thats about as good as your going to get from Jeep for a late model truck

Would that be a "COMPACT" truck ? or would it be a Mid-size like the MJ-Comanche ?

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post #18 of 24 Old 06-11-2011, 11:49 PM Thread Starter
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What ever happened to compact trucks anyway? Seems like a lot of people want compact trucks but all the manufacturers keep killing them off. It's strange.
Another downfall of the auto industry. I prefer a compact truck over a full size.
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What ever happened to compact trucks anyway? Seems like a lot of people want compact trucks but all the manufacturers keep killing them off. It's strange.
GM and Ford just announced new compact trucks for Thailand but the Colorado/Canyon and Ranger are being killed here.
I wonder if it is somehow more difficult to engineer all the mandated stability control systems into a smaller truck? Shorter and narrower than a full size truck but still has the light weight over the rear wheels like a full sized truck. Perhaps it is too costly to make it work on a truck that size? Are safety standards why compact trucks grew to mid sized? The JK is wider than the TJ. What I mean is if the system is more expensive for a small truck the small truck would cost as much as a base full size truck and they wouldn't sell well. The Dodge Dakota got so big and expensive sales suffered because people were buying Ram 1500s instead.
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If it is a cost and engineering problem they would not make them for any country.

My guess is that a few years ago people were leaning toward the full size trucks so the manufactures put their eggs in that basket. Now that the bottom dropped out of the economy and people aren't buying big trucks like they used to the manufactures are probably saying what the f just like we are. If they want to sell some trucks they may have to go back to making some compacts.
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If it is a cost and engineering problem they would not make them for any country.
In many countries what we call compact trucks are the only kind of pickups they have and are used like we use full size trucks. And I seriously doubt that Thailand has the regulations regarding stability control that we have here.

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on average the price between a "compact" to "mid size" was $1,500-$2,500 and the payload n towed load differed a good bit, The "mid size" to "fullsize" had a much tigher price gap the the pay load n towed load differed very little.

a TBI 4.3L V6 S10 had the same pay load n towed load as a TBI 5.0L V8 1500 in most years . . . both trucks got the same 15-17mpgs why not pay the extra $800-$1,200 and have the slightly larger truck

I'm sure the most recent "S10" to "1500" may have differed more ? ? ? But dollar/load ratio stayed very much the same

So given the advancements and now the ranger will do everything an F150 will and the Colorado will do what a 1500 will why bother offering both ? ? ?

Bill has a new 1500, so bob bought a new 2500, so larry bought a new 3500, and so untill ya got a RAM5500/Ford550 pickup truck in every drive way

They can advance as much as they want but a FS-truck is only going to make so much power and get some good of mileage, had such advancements been applied to a pickup half its size . . . you tow your Mower/ATV and carry some lumber for that dog house and still commute to work at 50mpg with a truck as easy to manuver n park as a civic . . .

ramember 82'-92'/96' S10's n ranger's where effecient and compact car sized

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I do maintenance on rental property for a living and worked out of a 94 Ranger for 8 years. Used a trailer for appliances and bigger loads. Easy to maneuver and park. Didn't feel handy capped at all. I still prefer the compact pickups over full size. It's a shame they are getting the boot.

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You're right about the little trucks being close performance wise to the bigger trucks. They really increased the horsepower in those little engines. We'd be getting real good fuel mileage. I see basic gas 4 cylinders now with around 170-180 horsepower. Equivalent to what the 6 cylinders used to be. My 94 Ranger has 112hp. I think the 80's models were considerably less.

Vehicles are quite a bit more fuel efficient than they used to be. It just doesn't seem so because they increased the horsepower at the same time. The fuel mileage has stayed pretty flat in a lot of cases.
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Yep, According to my manual my MJ's AMC-150 (2.5L) TBI (87'-90') made 121hp n 140tq . . . Now a 09'-11' 2.0-2.2L I4 MPI is pulling 150-170hp n 170-190tq or some thing to that effect anyway

But i the reason love my MJ is it'll tow and haul plenty for daily runabout and its easy to manuver like a car, Way better then most clumsy full sized trucks are

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