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Unread 12-11-2008, 09:01 PM   #16
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x2 on bringing back the cherokee. i loooove mine

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Unread 12-12-2008, 06:26 AM   #17
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x3. or maybe an "offroad package" that includes, oh i don't know, a solid front axle.

and a straight 6
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Unread 12-12-2008, 10:57 AM   #18
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And the manual transmission has been dropped on the 2009 Libertys.
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Unread 12-12-2008, 11:02 PM   #19
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have you driven the new liberty?!?!?! i cant get past the b pillar smacking me in the back!
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Unread 02-17-2009, 11:33 AM   #20
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Honestly I gotta say that round headlights are seen to some as a defining characteristic of the jeep. from the CJ era to chrysler bringin them back on the TJ i think was pretty cool. Altough i have always liked the look of the rugged YJ's, i think the square headlights gives them a unique touch and separates each jeep generation..

so yep..as it's been said before..don't think id change anything.

oh..and ditto on bringin back the XJ (shame on chrysler)...the fam had a '94 sport back in the day..that beast was tough as nails. i def plan on buyin one someday as a nice toy when i get the money
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Unread 03-03-2009, 06:33 PM   #21
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and back to the square headlights, theres rumors that the reason the new 1500 dodge ram went to a coil rear end was so that it could share its platform with a full size jeep truck.

and what better place to get away with square headlights than a reborn J-truck!?
Who the hell want Coil springs on the rear of a Truck!? Come on! but i would like to see a reborn Jeep Truck but with how people build trucks nowadays it would probably dissapoint me and many other jeepers and just be another "yuppie" flatlander truck.

Ill keep my Solid Front Axle and Leaf Spring rears, thank you!

And i agree as well, XJ forever (after MJ of course)
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Unread 03-05-2009, 06:48 PM   #22
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Unread 03-07-2009, 08:19 PM   #23
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Who the hell want Coil springs on the rear of a Truck!? Come on! but i would like to see a reborn Jeep Truck but with how people build trucks nowadays it would probably dissapoint me and many other jeepers and just be another "yuppie" flatlander truck.

Ill keep my Solid Front Axle and Leaf Spring rears, thank you!

And i agree as well, XJ forever (after MJ of course)
Your XJ front axle has coil springs, and that's the better end. There is no real benefit to leafs in the back of a vehicle in place of coil springs and a multilink setup. Coils = better articulation, better ride, same load carrying.

1996 called, it wants its coil spring hate back!
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Unread 03-16-2009, 09:48 AM   #24
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I doubt it.

So many people whined and whined about the stupid headlights during the YJ years, Chrysler got scared off them, even though the square lights actually put more light on the road....... (comparing sealed beams that is, I know modern light technology has changed that with newer lights).

and what was worse, is that alot of purists flat out boycotted Jeep during those years, although it was a bad time to introduce TWO major changes at once (headlights AND the addition of creature comforts, first and largest alteration of the Jeep in decades), it hardly deserved the irrational reactions of many elitests.

I too think retro square lights would be cool, but in regards to headlights, image is everything apparently, and when someone thinks "Jeep" they picture that seven slot grill with accompanying round headlights.

being honest though, I can't picture a TJ with square headlights, and I can't picture a YJ with round headlights, I like how each model ended up in the appearances department, I wouldn't change anything.
i actually think the square headlights look cooler. i want to do a front end grill swap for a yj
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Unread 03-16-2009, 09:50 AM   #25
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Speaking of square headlights....








BRING BACK THE CHEROKEE, THE LIBERTY SUCKS!
on that note, everytime i see a Jee Loredo, i feel sick to my stomach.

same with street tires on ANY JEEP
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Unread 03-16-2009, 10:05 AM   #26
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yeah, in my mind the YJ's the worst (wrangler-esqe)jeep. it has the negatives of both CJs & TJs. but none of the positives

in that it has reduced capability of the TJ. but none of the comforts.

and the poor handling of the CJ but none of the power or durability.

as a stock vehicle i dont see its value, but i try not to state that often. because i've seen plenty of good builds and dedicated owners in the YJ populous!
i agree, not because i own a TJ
but because i chose to buy a TJ over a YJ

i could have bought either
but i made a decision mostly because of the leaf springs, the coils offer so much more when off road, and you don't have to get wheels with more of an offest if you wanna go bigger tires, things like that

the interior was fine, and the "comfort" was not an issue
as it is my off road toy...
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Unread 03-18-2009, 12:43 AM   #27
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Edwin, what do you mean by reduced capability of the TJ? What exactly makes the TJ less capable?
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Unread 03-18-2009, 01:30 AM   #28
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a lack off over the top horse power, and REALLY beefy axles mostly. stock gearing and transfer cases on some of them. and DEFINATLEY a non wimpy auto. (which seems to have been adressed in the 03 forward TJ's)

a rubicon does address some of that. but I like to dream about a 2 door wrangler unlimited with a big *** V8 and dana 60s. from the factory.

as for the coils, i love em. but our TJ's definately have an onroad bias from the factory. and i dont think the CJs had to contend with that.

or all the environmental/mileage crap.''

seems like little things. but until jeep can at least compromise with a more powerful, nay i say "coarser" jeep that adresses the wants of someone other than their LIMITED test group.

I dont plan to buy a daily driver jeep again.

they will always be in my heart (and on my mantle) but my jeeps for sale. and until i can afford a cheap little project jeep.

i will be driving an HHR. (dodges tomatos)
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Unread 03-18-2009, 06:20 AM   #29
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"Environmental/mileage crap" is good for offroad too. What's bad about going more miles and emitting less pollution? Nothing. Do you enjoy breathing carbon monoxide while on the trail?

And a good onroad ride is good for offroad too. The only compromise would be sway bars, which can be disconnected.

Same goes for power. To me 190hp seems like more than enough for offroad. Maybe not if you're the kind of person who floors it and spins tires to go up hills, but that's not what offroading is really about.

Can't argue with stronger axles, but the Dana 44 and 30 seem pretty good.
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Unread 03-18-2009, 06:38 AM   #30
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"Environmental/mileage crap" is good for offroad too. What's bad about going more miles and emitting less pollution? Nothing. Do you enjoy breathing carbon monoxide while on the trail?
oh hell yeah, carbon monoxide rocks.

but seriously. a 4 popper burning oil and abusing itself at about 4000 RPM on the trail is DIRTIER than a well functioning V8 cruising the same trail at 1700 RPM

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And a good onroad ride is good for offroad too. The only compromise would be sway bars, which can be disconnected.
dont really have a problem with that either, since I dont crawl... i run. sway bars have never been an issue.


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Same goes for power. To me 190hp seems like more than enough for offroad. Maybe not if you're the kind of person who floors it and spins tires to go up hills, but that's not what offroading is really about.
"not what off roading is really about" may be true to you. i dont go for carnage trails... i go for dirt roads in the desert at 60+ MPH. thats what its about for me.

I LIKE SPEED. i like not flooring it to move the thing. a 4.0 with a stick is a pretty good set up for a lot of people. BUT IF I ONLY HAVE ONE VEHICLE. its gonna be auto. sticks are for toys (IMHO) its just never been enough for me off road. to be fair a jeep is not a good choice to run fire roads. but it never let me down regardless

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Can't argue with stronger axles, but the Dana 44 and 30 seem pretty good.

yep. agreed again. i had a few problems with the steering on my D30 when i bought it. put a little bit of money into it and its been great since.

and I've never had a problem with the 35. but i also never really pushed it.
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