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Unread 01-23-2011, 08:52 AM   #46
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But like I said they are not intended for the European market they have to be imported(you keep skipping that part apparently)...You can get a Nissan Skyline R34 here in the US from an import company, but they were never intended for US use. For you to bring one into the country you have to add a whole bunch of crap to it so it will meet the US emmisions and Safety standards of the year it was made, so new bumpers, things like that have to be installed when you get it here.
I'm not skipping the part about being imported. I was basically ignoring it for being irrelevant. Of course they had to be imported. The coffee I'm drinking at this very moment had to be imported here. Those Jeep Commanders had to be imported. The computer I'm typing this reply on was imported. There's a pretty good chance my underwear were imported!

Unlike getting a Skyline here, most of those vehicles can be special ordered right through a normal dealership (depending on which European country we're referring to). Vehicles that are emission and safety compliant in the U.S. tend to meet most of the E.U. standards, compared to some of our stupid laws that many E.U. cars don't comply with. And of course they aren't intended to be sold there. The rest of the world seems smart enough to realize that a soccer mom doesn't actually need a thirty foot long urban assault vehicle to safely navigate their way to the grocery store. Our country's rediculous obsession with absurdly large vehicles is mind boggling.

Simple yes or no, are there better vehicles available in Europe in the same class/similar price range as the Commander? Keep in mind, we're talking about mankind's greatest automotive accomplishment here!!

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Unread 01-23-2011, 11:27 AM   #47
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I'm not skipping the part about being imported. I was basically ignoring it for being irrelevant. Of course they had to be imported. The coffee I'm drinking at this very moment had to be imported here. Those Jeep Commanders had to be imported. The computer I'm typing this reply on was imported. There's a pretty good chance my underwear were imported!
Awesome Imported underwear and mankind's greatest automotive accomplishment!

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Unread 01-24-2011, 04:00 AM   #48
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You guys do realize he is in Switzerland and they dont have Ukons, Expeditions, Suburbans or any of that over there. While we think that the commander is really a mundane attempt at trying to compete with the Expedition or the Denali, he is looking up what those vehicles look like because he has probably only seen a handfull of them in passing in the last several years, if at all in real life. But you can get a 4 wheel drive Volkswagen golf with a 2.3l v5 engine in it.

And as a note, they dont have pickup trucks as we know them anywhere but the Americas(primarily north america) either. Most places the Ranger or the High Lux (toyota tacoma) are the biggest trucks you find.

I'm glad someone noticed. And it's not just the availability, but also where you use them. In the US all the roads are big, mostly straight line, parkinglots are designed for large SUV's, etc. So having an Expedition over there is still "normal", whereas in Europe you would be totally lost. Parking lots designed for cars like Fiat Punto, and most roads follow still the same path as they did 500 years ago = not straight. Even some Autobahns in Germany are really curvy, with unlimited speedlimit.

But, coming back to the point. Sure, e.g. Ford Expedition is huge. You can fit in there 7 people with full size luggage, great. I've done it myself. You can go shopping with it, great. You can drive from coast to coast with it, great. Anything else?

The suspension is so soft that it makes it all wobbly, the handling is horrible if you really need to be able to handle the car. Meaning, not driving a straight line at 55mph. Would you drive with it 100mph on a curvy road? I wouldn't. With a Commander you can do that.

And how about rock climbing with an Expedition, or off-roading in general in the woods? Don't see many people doing that. With a Commander, you can do both.

The 3rd row in Expedition is great, you can put adults there even for a long trip. And like said, you'll still have enough room for luggage. In the Commander the 3rd row is not the same. It's usable for adults only for short distances, but for small kids it's ok. But that's anyway how I would imagine most families use it. At least our's. We've got 2 adults, 3 kids, 3 small dogs, and the occasional mother-in-law aboard. For that it's perfect. If it was bigger, it would mean bigger outer dimensions for the car, smaller ground clearance, or maybe both. Not worth it.

Ok, the third row blocks the view from the rear window. Fine. Anyway if you have a trunk full of stuff, it's blocked. And at least our 2nd and 3rd row passengers appreciate the stadium seating, so that even kids at the back are able to see the road. Which is nice. Staring at the back of the seat in front of you for 10 hours is not that great. So, it's a trade-off. And in my opinion worth it.

I don't know about the reliability of the big-*** SUVs in the US, but at least the Commander is solid and reliable as hell. I don't know about the ones over there, but mine is built in Austria, and never had a single problem in it. Just the regular service every 20 000km is enough.

The diesel-engine is unbelievable. It has 520Nm of torque as soon as you hit the pedal, which means it's there when you need it. Perfect for overtaking and pulling heavy loads uphill. And if you engage the LOW, you'll get 1400Nm of torque. Enough to pull just about anything.

So to sum it up. There are bigger SUVs. There are more luxurious SUVs. There are more off-road capable SUVs (not many though, especially for 7 people). But I have not seen a better all-purpose vehicle. So far we've asked about everything from the Commander that you can ask from a car. Not once has the answer been "sorry, can't do it".
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Unread 01-24-2011, 12:48 PM   #49
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I'm going to take a step back for a moment.....

Has anyone else here noticed that there has been "talk" about both a Jeep truck, and a Jeep Wagoneer on this "future models" forum, but nobody knows what chassis either vehicle is going to use?

Maybe Jeep has a new chassis that it will use for BOTH!
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Unread 01-24-2011, 03:36 PM   #50
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I'm going to take a step back for a moment.....

Has anyone else here noticed that there has been "talk" about both a Jeep truck, and a Jeep Wagoneer on this "future models" forum, but nobody knows what chassis either vehicle is going to use?

Maybe Jeep has a new chassis that it will use for BOTH!
It's already been reported that the Wagoneer will go on a stretched Grand Cherokee platform. I think they've also mentioned that the truck will go on the Unlimited JK's platform.
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Unread 01-25-2011, 02:59 PM   #51
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Direct from the Detroit Auto Show, the Grand Wagoneer is destined for the Durango platform with uprated suspension (Or a stretched Grand Cherokee, whichever way you want to look at it), and the Gladiator will be built on a stretched Wrangler Unlimited platform.
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Unread 01-27-2011, 11:30 AM   #52
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Found on the interwebz. Nothing official, but not a bad look........ aside from the wheels.
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Unread 01-27-2011, 02:37 PM   #53
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Found on the interwebz. Nothing official, but not a bad look........ aside from the wheels.
That looks pretty good.
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Unread 01-27-2011, 07:57 PM   #54
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It's already been reported that the Wagoneer will go on a stretched Grand Cherokee platform. I think they've also mentioned that the truck will go on the Unlimited JK's platform.
Yep
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Unread 01-27-2011, 08:42 PM   #55
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That looks pretty good.
Agreed, that actually looks really good. The front and rear doors look a little out of proportion, but other then that, I'd be happy if that was the production model. It keeps all of the key elements of the original design.
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Unread 01-29-2011, 04:09 AM   #56
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i want it to look like this




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i would buy that in a heart beat
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Unread 01-29-2011, 07:21 PM   #58
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I think the headlights are Hideous on that thing.
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Unread 01-29-2011, 11:44 PM   #59
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I think the headlights are Hideous on that thing.
its a shopped Commander so yeah i agree
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just what we need another dead *** copy and the spiritual successor for the pos commander

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