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Unread 01-17-2011, 11:43 PM   #16
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Jeep to revive Grand Wagoneer nameplate for 2013

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"Although Jeepís all-new Grand Cherokee is still fresh on the market, the well-received unibody SUV will soon be joined by a legendary nameplate in 2013.

While Jeep may not have had a vehicle Ė not even a concept Ė to show off to hint at exactly what we can expect, Chrysler CEO Sergio Marchionne did still manage to confirm the development of a Grand Wagoneer for the Jeep lineup, saying, ďItís time we gave the market an upper-scale Grand Wagoneer.Ē

The return of the Wagoneer would mark the resurrection of one of the most storied nameplates for the Jeep brand, and would also quickly fill the spot left open after the seven-seat Commander was discontinued after the 2010 model year. This replacement model will share the platform found under the Grand Cherokee, but will compete more directly with the seven-seat configuration found in the 2011 Ford Explorer.

While Marchionne didnít reveal everything there was to know about the upcoming iconic resurrection, he did make a point of pointing out that the discontinuation of the Commander does not signify how the Grand Wagoneer will be received, noting, 'That car was unfit for human consumption. We sold some. But I donít know why people bought them.'

The original Jeep Wagoneer ended production in 1991 after a 28 year run.
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This Wagoneer will be on the extended Grand Cherokee platform, like the new Durango, but with Jeep skin and suspension, of course. If Fiat/Jeep handles this right with a great design and diesel/Hemi options, this could be HUGE for them! If they design it to look like the Nukizer Concept, I will trade my lifted WJ for one!



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Unread 01-19-2011, 12:10 PM   #17
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Haha and I would trade my left nut for one! The nuke is soo awesome!
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Unread 01-20-2011, 01:28 AM   #18
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I see, so it'll be a GC/Durango hybrid ?

Now will this be a full framed rig ? or unibody ?

Independent ? Or solid axles ?

6 cylinder ? Or 8 cylinder ?

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Unread 01-20-2011, 01:35 AM   #19
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Yes it would be sweet if they could use the Nuk's front facia / grill / hood design / with 45'd wheel well's . . . More then likely it'll be light/grill retrofit into the Dodge sheet steal like the Liberty/Nitro !

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Unread 01-20-2011, 12:55 PM   #20
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I see, so it'll be a GC/Durango hybrid ?

Now will this be a full framed rig ? or unibody ?

Independent ? Or solid axles ?

6 cylinder ? Or 8 cylinder ?

Mike
What Fiat/Jeep should do:

1) Use the JK Unlimited platform, with 2 live axles.
2) Base the design on the Nukizer 715 Concept.
3) Offer the Pentastar V6 as the base engine and the Hemi as an option.
4) Offer an off-road package

What Fiat/Jeep will probably do:

1) Use the extended Grand Cherokee unibody platform they use for the new Durango, which means 4WIS.
2) Base the design on the Grand/Durango.
3) Offer the Pentastar V6 as the base engine and the Hemi as an option.
4) Offer some MOPAR accessories for off-roading.

I know development money is not flowing from Chrysler currently, but if they want a HUGELY successful SUV, in a market that is going to trend away from them again, due to ever-rising fuel costs, they will need to make this IRRESISTIBLE! They need to pay attention to what Jeep fanatics are saying. They should really come up with 2 designs (3-D Modeled illustrations), based on the two I mentioned, and test market them. I'm confident our wishes for the look of the Nukizer would win out!
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Unread 01-20-2011, 10:01 PM   #21
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Unread 01-20-2011, 11:24 PM   #22
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What Fiat/Jeep should do:

I know development money is not flowing from Chrysler currently, but if they want a HUGELY successful SUV, in a market that is going to trend away from them again, due to ever-rising fuel costs, they will need to make this IRRESISTIBLE! They need to pay attention to what Jeep fanatics are saying. They should really come up with 2 designs (3-D Modeled illustrations), based on the two I mentioned, and test market them. I'm confident our wishes for the look of the Nukizer would win out!
Unfortunately, you need to be realistic. This Jeep will have a price point well above that of a fully loaded Grand Cherokee. This will be a luxury Jeep, not a go anywhere, take on the world Jeep. It's basically Chrysler's answer to the Range Rover Sport. Pretty much a luxury people hauler with great all season abilities and a well marketed illusion of all terrain abilities. It's purpose will be to navigate dirt roads to those great fly fishing streams or get through mountain passes to the ski hill.

This is not a bad thing and still sticks to the roots of the Wagoneer name. More importantly, it'll probably sell like crazy which'll help support the Jeep brand and keep our "Jeep fanatic" vehicles viable.
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Unread 01-21-2011, 01:30 AM   #23
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I will vote this over Gladiator!
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I still like my Commander and am not surprised they are bringing back a 3rd row jeep immediately after killing the XK. I think dropping the name and not just throwing out a Commander V2.0 is a good choice to make a break from an under performing model at the retail level.

I will someday buy a project Wagoneer as I think they are the cat's behind and resurrecting the name for a real Jeepy looking 7 seater will sit well with me as long as they don't just stretch the new GC look out 2 or 3 feet.

Unfit for human consumption? Yeah the 3rd row sucks, but I don't sit there - kids do, and adults could for short trips. The size is fine for our family of 4 plus friends/cousins and we've done several trips in comfy style.

You either really like the Commander or you don't at all. I suspect this production and niche filler will be the same - some will think it's an ugly monstrosity, others will hail it as the perfect jeep for a larger family.

And I don't kid myself, the wife's XK is a dedicated mall crawler like 99% of the other large utes out there.
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Unread 01-21-2011, 09:16 AM   #25
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From LeftLaneNews.com:
While Marchionne didnít reveal everything there was to know about the upcoming iconic resurrection, he did make a point of pointing out that the discontinuation of the Commander does not signify how the Grand Wagoneer will be received, noting, 'That car was unfit for human consumption. We sold some. But I donít know why people bought them.'
Umm... Mr. Marchionne, you italian s.o.a.b, please resign today. You clearly have no idea what you are talking about.

a) The Commander looks horrible, at first sight. But at every glance after that, it gets better. It's a bit like a good painting, it opens to you slowly, but you'll never get bored of it. You not knowing this is shocking.

b) The Commander is mankinds biggest achievement in automotive history.

- You can use it as an Autobahn-vehicle for a large family, having driven with it 160-170km/h, with a full-size roofbox, for 12 hours straight. It works.

- You can tow with it a 3,5 ton (metric) trailer anywhere you like.

- You can take your family with it, anywhere you like. Across the river, on a mountain top, you name it.

- You can use it as a nice vehicle for shopping

- You can park it where others can't, e.g. on a pile of snow at a shopping mall

- You can use it as a light tractor if needed

- You can use it as a comfortable luxury cruising vehicle

- You can use it for transporting a sofa

- You can use it for transporting people

- You can use it to make a ton of other cars look really crappy at green light.

WHAT MORE DO YOU NEED FROM A CAR? None of your group's cars can fly nor swim. Why people buy it? Get a reality check.

Sergio probably likes Alfa Romeo anyway, like a true italian playboy with a really small w****.

I'm surprised if anyone can show me a car that can do more than the Commander! Anyone?
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Biggest achievement in automotive history? Wow...

They're nice SUV's, but I've driven every version of the Commander they released at some point in the last couple years. Not a huge fan.
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Biggest achievement in automotive history? Wow...
No joke. Name one which is bigger. Talking about the end result, not about productionline techniques, etc.

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They're nice SUV's, but I've driven every version of the Commander they released at some point in the last couple years. Not a huge fan.
Have you tried the 3.0 CRD?

And you know it probably as well as I do, most Jeeps are not "love at first sight". I used to be a fan of Camrys, I had them 5 in a row. Then thank god I met my wife, and we bought the Commander semi-accidentally. It was "ok" at first, until we started realising all the things we can do with it. Now it's a beast. A true beast, which also looks and feels great. The love grew.

We also have a JK Unlimited. It too wasn't love at first sight, but I knew what it was, so we bought it. The love grew, and keeps growing.

With "normal" cars it's usually the other way around. When you buy it new/almost new, it looks and feels great, but as the years go by, it's starting to lose the attraction.

Our Jeeps are keepers. They might be moved aside one day, but only aside. They will still stay in the garage.
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I see, so it'll be a GC/Durango hybrid ?

Now will this be a full framed rig ? or unibody ?

Independent ? Or solid axles ?

6 cylinder ? Or 8 cylinder ?

Mike
Since the Durango and GC are now on the same platform it will be unibody just like the GC and Durango. Will have the same suspension design as the GC and since it is luxury will probably only have the V8.
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I still like my Commander and am not surprised they are bringing back a 3rd row jeep immediately after killing the XK.
The Commander was more of an exercise showing that flex manufacturing could produce two completely different looking body styles on the same production line.
It is what made it possible for the new Durango and Grand Cherokee to share platforms.
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No joke. Name one which is bigger. Talking about the end result, not about productionline techniques, etc.
Just about every mid and full size SUV on the market. That was easy. The Commander is far from the best thought out vehicle in it's class. I drive my girlfriend's Commander all the time, and while I don't mind the looks, the rest of it is pretty average.
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