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Unread 09-05-2012, 05:15 PM   #106
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My family has always owned Jeeps since 1952, and if there is one thing we all wanted, it was a Cummins Jeep. I remember one day when my Papaw was in the hospital in his final days, he was telling me to make sure I put a Cummins in a Jeep before I was in the shape he was. He would be proud to see the day that Wrangler's come with a Cummins Diesel option.

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Unread 09-06-2012, 04:46 PM   #107
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diesel and lower sticker price, lol
Amen. I love my TJ but if sticker prices dropped may be persuaded to buy a new wrangler. Staying with the 2 dr manual transmission though because without that it is not a real Wrangler.
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Unread 09-08-2012, 07:32 PM   #108
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I would love to see a JK-8 with a 5.7 Hemi with a 6 speed Manuel transmission, and factory dana 60 rear axles with dana 44 upfront. That would be a bad a** jeep.
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Unread 09-09-2012, 09:19 PM   #109
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The Rubicon package should include the Mopar portal axles, just not at 20+k apiece, as an option.
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Unread 09-10-2012, 11:05 AM   #110
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Amen. I love my TJ but if sticker prices dropped may be persuaded to buy a new wrangler.
Adjusted for inflation, Wrangler prices are the same they've ever been. The Sahara is actually slightly cheaper now. And they come with more options standard now, not to mention stronger stock parts.

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I would love to see a JK-8 with a 5.7 Hemi with a 6 speed Manuel transmission, and factory dana 60 rear axles with dana 44 upfront. That would be a bad a** jeep.
A rear 60 would never work. The pumpkin is too big to practically fit it on any Jeep running factory-sized tires, and you'll never see larger tires available from the factory for EPA reasons.

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The Rubicon package should include the Mopar portal axles, just not at 20+k apiece, as an option.
They're $20,000 a set for a reason. Even once you factor in the cost savings of removing the standard 44s and economies of scale for producing more portals, most savings would be taken up by new line tooling (Yes, even something as 'simple' as adding another axle options would take thousands, even millions, of dollars of change in the plant). The best you could ever hope for would be in the $15,000 range. Additionally, they're such a niche option that there's no good reason for them to be offered as a factory option-90% of Jeep owners don't eve know what a portal axle is and 99% of owners would ever get to the point in their build that the negatives of portals would outweigh the positives.
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Unread 09-11-2012, 04:19 PM   #111
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Adjusted for inflation, Wrangler prices are the same they've ever been. The Sahara is actually slightly cheaper now. And they come with more options standard now, not to mention stronger stock parts.
Many of these options are completely unnecessary. Roll mitigation, hill start assist, leather wrapped interior parts etc. are parts that get away from what the Wrangler was intended to be. Roll mitigation is for people that can't handle driving. Hill start assist is for people that have problems driving vehicles with a manual transmission. Leather is purely a luxury item. How about a truely stripped wrangler. No leather no extra electronics and no sunrider soft top. That should knock at least a thousand dollars off of the sticker price. If they stripped all of this along with carpeting and sound deadening and maybe a lined interior and had a Dana 44 option it would be much more to the tune of what many people that buy Wranglers want.
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Unread 09-11-2012, 08:33 PM   #112
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Unread 09-11-2012, 08:39 PM   #113
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Many of these options are completely unnecessary. Roll mitigation, hill start assist, leather wrapped interior parts etc. are parts that get away from what the Wrangler was intended to be. Roll mitigation is for people that can't handle driving. Hill start assist is for people that have problems driving vehicles with a manual transmission. Leather is purely a luxury item. How about a truely stripped wrangler. No leather no extra electronics and no sunrider soft top. That should knock at least a thousand dollars off of the sticker price. If they stripped all of this along with carpeting and sound deadening and maybe a lined interior and had a Dana 44 option it would be much more to the tune of what many people that buy Wranglers want.
How many people would actually spend the money on a brand new no frills wrangler? I bet less than 1 in 5 of us on here would actually sell our current jeep for a brand new one. I also am pretty sure that if someone has not active on this site they would have no interest in buying a stripped down jeep "the way its supposed to be". I think jeepforum is a small population of total worldwide wrangler sales.

If people want such a no frills jeep, why not just invest $20,000 into what ever you currently have to make it exactly what you want?

The luxuries the Jk has over the tj is what made it such a big seller. People who wanted a jeep but never could justify it because of the lack of what ever it was now could buy one.
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Unread 09-11-2012, 08:55 PM   #114
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Would be nice if a lot of vehicles were stripped down to bring the cost down. Then you can add stuff as you see fit.
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Unread 09-11-2012, 10:57 PM   #115
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Many of these options are completely unnecessary. Roll mitigation, hill start assist, leather wrapped interior parts etc. are parts that get away from what the Wrangler was intended to be. Roll mitigation is for people that can't handle driving. Hill start assist is for people that have problems driving vehicles with a manual transmission. Leather is purely a luxury item.
By making it better at what it does? Under your logic, airbags and seatbelts are for 'people who can't drive' too, but nobody would ever seriously suggest making those optional extras nowadays.

Leather is a completely optional extra. It's not even available on the Sport unless you go for the dealer-installed Mopar leather seats.

There aren't any 'extra electronics' besides power windows and locks (Unless you consider a radio and speakers 'extra'). Granted, I'd like to see manual locks and windows an option again, but I'm in the minority.

That said, it's actually more expensive to take parts off, because then the line has to be modified for interference. Factories don't just sit around with a million of every part next to the installer station any more, it's all Just In Time assembly, meaning that the parts arrive at the factory within hours of being installed. To change a line to allow for a missed part, or to modify the paint shop to install bedliner instead of carpet, would cost millions-a 'stripper' Wrangler would cost more than the regular Sport.

Leather is an option. Designing a whole different soft top without the Sunrider would, in the end, save you maybe $100 off the price of a vehicle. Redesigning the line and designing the parts for manual windows and locks and dropping sound systems wouldn't save a dollar. Wrangler has a Dana 44 rear standard now, and a HP Dana 30 front-the JK's stock axles will handle up to 35"s already, and if you go for 37"s, you're both in a vast minority and probably building the axle anyways.

You know what the people who are actually buying Wranglers want? Everyday utility. The Unlimited is entirely responsible for the Wrangler's current colossal sales success. If you watch the sales charts, there have been 4 major sales jumps in recent memory-2003, where the LJ and the new TJ interior came out, 2007, where the 4-door Unlimited was introduced, 2011, where the new JK interior was introduced, and 2012, where the interior was refined and the Pentastar engine installed.

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Would be nice if a lot of vehicles were stripped down to bring the cost down. Then you can add stuff as you see fit.
See above. Using modern assembly line practices, stripping down a vehicle doesn't save any money.
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Unread 09-12-2012, 07:44 PM   #116
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Your right, that is exactly the problem. The lines are set up to produce vehicles with more amenities than we need. Like I said it would be nice if they produced a lot of stripped down versions to bring the cost down. Then charge extra for people that want all the luxuries. That would be my ideal. Your right the Wrangler Sport is as about basic as they come these days.
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More amenities than you want, maybe, but the people who are actually buying Jeeps now, not just waiting around for them to come up used and cheap like the overwhelming majority of this board (Myself included) want those. And, were I in charge of Jeep, I'd be more inclined to cater to the wants of the consumers.
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Unread 09-13-2012, 05:13 AM   #118
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More amenities than you want, maybe, but the people who are actually buying Jeeps now, not just waiting around for them to come up used and cheap like the overwhelming majority of this board (Myself included) want those. And, were I in charge of Jeep, I'd be more inclined to cater to the wants of the consumers.
I'm sure they are. What percentage what's a stripped down one? I've seen more stock wranglers than I've seen modded. I would also like to believe the people designing them also want to make it like we want as much as they can.
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Unread 09-13-2012, 09:24 AM   #119
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In my part of the country it is rare to see one bone stock. Even if it is just a little something extra like a puck lift.
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Unread 09-13-2012, 10:47 AM   #120
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In my part of the country it is rare to see one bone stock. Even if it is just a little something extra like a puck lift.
And I doubt that remains constant for the almost 3/4 million sold. If all they sold were j8's I don't think there would be even half those numbers.
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