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Unread 07-06-2012, 07:13 PM   #76
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I guess so. I dont like change that much but its going to happen no matter what.

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Unread 07-06-2012, 11:24 PM   #77
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I still kind of want to know how you make a Wrangler "aerodynamic"... Seriously? It's literally one of the most boxy, sharp-edged, toaster-on-wheels looking vehicles out there. Other than the Element, it about the most un aerodynamic you can get.

I wasn't really to excited when I heard amount the 4 door wrangler, and for the first few months I absolutely HATED them (I don't mean to offend anyone). Since then I've warmed up a little to them (although I still think they look like a H3 from the side painted black...). With that being said, I'm not sure how much I'm going to like the new-and-improved "aerodynamic" wrangler. Can't wait to see the prototypes!!
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Unread 07-07-2012, 12:27 AM   #78
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Easier windshield drop down and a cage that remains fully installed when the windshield is dropped down MUST be stock. think OR-fab but without the messy pillar installation on the sides of the dash and body,
also without the need to attach the windshield to the roll cage and maybe without the bars running through the center. (those will be available as aftermarket upgrade for sure)
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Unread 07-07-2012, 04:45 AM   #79
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Now i like the roll bar front window thing. Finally
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Unread 07-21-2012, 01:41 PM   #80
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You can get that off eBay for under 500USD
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Unread 07-21-2012, 03:19 PM   #81
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Its not factory though. I like the idea that there thinking of these things
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Unread 07-24-2012, 03:17 PM   #82
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I still kind of want to know how you make a Wrangler "aerodynamic"... Seriously? It's literally one of the most boxy, sharp-edged, toaster-on-wheels looking vehicles out there. Other than the Element, it about the most un aerodynamic you can get.

I wasn't really to excited when I heard amount the 4 door wrangler, and for the first few months I absolutely HATED them (I don't mean to offend anyone). Since then I've warmed up a little to them (although I still think they look like a H3 from the side painted black...). With that being said, I'm not sure how much I'm going to like the new-and-improved "aerodynamic" wrangler. Can't wait to see the prototypes!!
Well look at the boxy wrangler. To make it into a type of aerodynamic vehicle without wings, you would want to put a horizontal stabilizer under its bumper to help prevent drag under our jeep, then you will need to add more slope to its grill and windshield, after that, you could look at its roof. Where it's a hard or soft top, we will need to give the roof a lower back slope or raise it. Now I will ask, what would you want don to its finders to lessen drag, some may say to drop the finder front down to the bumper.
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Unread 07-25-2012, 08:27 PM   #83
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If some some of these options are available, I will definitely buy a new wrangler. I really want a diesel. More than anything else. The idea of improved mpg and better torque gets me all hot and bothered. haha. I just don't want the barbie jeep that they have been making in the form of a JK. I know it's more powerful, better fuel fuel economy, suspension is superior. But the it looks horrible stock. It takes a lot of money and talent to make them look good. And it's always the JK guys (for the most part) who refuse to waive. haha. But it's true. But if the diesel becomes an option... I'm all in.
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Unread 07-26-2012, 01:48 PM   #84
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OK my wishlist:

1. STUPENDOUSLY BETTER FUEL ECONOMY!!!

I can't tell you how totally disappointed and blown away I was when I went to go buy a new 4-door Wrangler only to read on the sticker that the fuel economy numbers were 15/19 (or right around there). Those are the exact same numbers listed on my Wrangler I got in 1998! AKA 15 years ago! What the hell is wrong with these guys? Why in a reality in which fuel prices average $3.50 per gallon would they even consider not firing every engineer who thought it was ok to put out a "new" model that gets the same gas mileage as Jeeps got when gas was $0.89 per gallon?

I realise there is performance and there is torque, and we all still want a Jeep we can work on and not some computer-laden asian-themed spaghetti mess like Toyota would create, but if Jeep can't deliver a vehicle that can take us hunting and pull the boat while still popping us above 30mpg on the interstate, then they need to sell the company to someone who can. I know more guys who no longer drive their Jeeps or who had to buy new cars from other manufacturers leaving their beloved Wranglers for weekend toy status because they simply couldn't afford to drive it around town than anything else. Plus, when my Wrangler said it would get 15-19 what those numbers really meant was 7-10 mpg around town and if you're lucky 14 on the highway.

This is the single biggest reason I don't have a new Wrangler right now!

2. Seats like the pre-TJ Sahara models.

When the new jeeps came out a few years ago, I walked into a dealership with the intention of buying one. I sat in the seat of a new Wrangler for about 15 seconds, played with the seat, and realized that no matter what I did that there was no way to adjust the headrest so that it didn't feel like someone was cramming my head into my chest. I walked around and checked all the other Jeeps to find they all had head rests like this, and was about 3 minutes into figuring out how to rip the head rest out and throw it across the highway when a salesman came out to tell me that in fact there's nothing you can do, that there are no other seat options, and that yes, when it comes to comfort, those headrests are the biggest complaint they get and the main reason people weren't at that time buying them. Stupid.

My first vehicle was an 87 Jeep Cherokee. The last one produced under the AMC badging. To this day there is one thing about that Jeep I have wished for in every car I have ever owned...the seats! They weren't that special as far as I remember except that they had some adjustments I haven't seen since (manual non-electric adjustments!). You could lean the seat backs nearly all the way flat going back and all the way flat going forward. You could also slide the whole seat front to back nearly from touching the dash to touching the back seats. You could tighten or loosen the lumbar (all it is is a spring). You could tilt the headrest way forward and way back, or leave it in its usual position parallel with the seat back; you could also really easily lift it far up or down or yank it out and toss it in the back when needed. The seatbelt was also totally separated from the seat. And here's the big kicker, the one design feature I can't understand getting rid of: at the front corner of the seat there was a small leaver you could pull that allowed the whole seat to rock like a rocking chair tilting the whole thing up or down on an inverted arc so that you could lock the seat base into the position you like. This is an awesome feature! I have a bodybuilder build with the thick legs that come with that. Most car seats press up into my hamstrings while driving and after an hour or two in the car this starts to get really really uncomfortable. I can't imagine I'm the only one here.

My added wishlist for the seats would be to have a fabric that is fully water proof (including REAL rainstorms, not that goofy misty crap they seem to call "rain" when testing Jeep electrical systems), hoses off easily (maybe a teflon coating?), dries very quickly so that if your jeep does get wet or a storm pops up, you won't have wet *** for the rest of the day. The fabric also needs to not get hot when out in the sun or to at least conduct that heat away so it isn't uncomfortable to sit in because here's a newsflash for Jeep designers: we leave our tops off and we don't like to wear all of our clothes! Another thing that's been one of my favourite styling features ever in a Wrangler is the way that the early 90's Saharas integrated leather saddle bags and accents into the seats and door panels. Those were functional and looked great!

Finally, I wish Jeep would take a cue from mini-van designers and create some sort of quick release system for the seats so that if you need to load something cargo-wise in the jeep, want to hose it out, or know the next passenger is going to be the dog, that you can fold the seats down, tilt them forward, and lift the whole thing out like a suitcase and either put them elsewhere in the Jeep or leave them at home. No tools or stupidity should be involved in removing and installing them.

3. Truly water-proof interior electric components. It's just a joke that a Jeep should fry itself to all **** if it gets rained in. If my boat's dashboard and console can get wet and still function then so should my Jeep's. This shouldn't even have to be on a list but obviously it's a bit of common sense that has failed to grace the brains of Jeep engineers over the years.

4. A fuel-efficient diesel. And did I mention better gas mileage already?

5. A factory lift option.

I understand the legality of not selling jeeps with huge lifts, but certainly engineers could figure out a way to offer sane lift options like 4 or 6 inches. It doesn't make sense that we should have to buy one suspension, then throw a lot of that stuff we've paid for away when we replace it with the stuff we want. It would make a lot more sense for us to pay a little bit for the factory to install our desired height from the beginning and pass on the savings of not having to supply us with future garbage.

6. A standard / factory towing package and receiver

Why would a jeep NOT come with a receiver hitch and a towing package that is engineered as part of the Jeep from the get go. It wouldn't cost them but a dollar or so to include the wiring, and it would also provide assurance that if you add on a hitch-mounted basked for extra gear that you won't destroy your ride or suspension or whatever.

7. Better fuel economy.

(just hoping they might actually read this)

8. Quick-release connections

Where possible I would like to see (as mentioned above regarding the seats) as many things as possible fitted with quick-release connections. This was the best thing to ever happen to bicycles and adventure gear yet 25 years later it seems to be almost non-existent in the automotive industry.

9. Standardized tool kit and tool requirements

The best thing about the old Jeeps were that with a pair of vise-grips and a phillips head screw driver you could just about dismantle and reassemble the whole vehicle. If Jeep would put a little effort into standardizing screw heads (no stars, stars with holes, swastikas, rainbows, horseshoe crabs, or whatever else they might be dreaming up next), going down to a limited number of hex nuts, bolts, etc so that a Jeep owner can keep a simple tool kit under the seat and do emergency repairs would be an amazing service to mechanics and owners alike. Imagine being under your Jeep and knowing that no matter what you're delving into that it'll only be one of 3-4 sizes of wrench, period.

10. Think about how we use our Jeeps.

Instead of putting electric locks and power windows on a Wrangler (why was this important again?) why not incorporate design features that match up with the way Jeeps are used. The ability to easily secure things (gear, guns, backpacks, etc) in a way that our open or easily sliced into vehicles can withstand criminals would be great. Also some way of adding a bike rack without sacrificing the ability to also have a fold-down basket or pull a trailer would be great. Options like CB and Marine VHF radios that can incorporate with the factory stuff rather than requiring re-engineering your dash.

Also, it wouldn't take Jeep five minutes to find out from owners what parts tend to get damaged and destroyed the most. Make those all easily removable and easy / cost effective to swap out. I'm thinking fenders and such. Along those lines, also make sure that any plastic parts don't look cheap and start fading out in the sunlight to that yucky powdery grey bull****.

11. Seat and Floor HVAC

OK this might be my only semi-luxury request, but since we ride around with our tops off in both summer and winter sometimes and in the sun, and at night, we are exposed to temperature extremes and the standard idea of an air conditioning system that just blows air on passengers from the dash just doesn't cut it. Grant it, Jeeps have notoriously great heaters and air conditioners, but if that cooling and heating can't reach the passengers, what good is it.

I would like to see some sort of system by which a good portion of the air could be delivered through the seats themselves and/or the floorboards so that our bodies are cooled or heated even when being pelted by the elements from outside. It would also be great if somehow this air could be directed in and around the cupholders so that your beer...umm...sodas in the summer stayed cold and your coffee in the winter stayed warm.
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Unread 07-26-2012, 05:40 PM   #85
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OK my wishlist:

1. STUPENDOUSLY BETTER FUEL ECONOMY!!!
There's only so much you can do for a brick with a tent on the top as far as fuel economy goes. The Wrangler is probably the least aerodynamic design around-exposed tires, flat surfaces, tall ride height...you can have aerodynamics or a Wrangler design, not both.

The new transmissions and probable diesel should help some though.

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They are already.

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5. A factory lift option.
Wouldn't fit on the line, not at a price people would pay for it. However, Mopar offers very comprehensive 2", 3" and 4" lift kits that can be installed by a dealer without voiding your warranty.

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Towing packages are already a factory option.

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Not possible with crash standards.
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Unread 07-27-2012, 07:19 AM   #86
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OK my wishlist:


2. Seats like the pre-TJ Sahara models.

When the new jeeps came out a few years ago, I walked into a dealership with the intention of buying one. I sat in the seat of a new Wrangler for about 15 seconds, played with the seat, and realized that no matter what I did that there was no way to adjust the headrest so that it didn't feel like someone was cramming my head into my chest. I walked around and checked all the other Jeeps to find they all had head rests like this, and was about 3 minutes into figuring out how to rip the head rest out and throw it across the highway when a salesman came out to tell me that in fact there's nothing you can do, that there are no other seat options, and that yes, when it comes to comfort, those headrests are the biggest complaint they get and the main reason people weren't at that time buying them. Stupid.

My first vehicle was an 87 Jeep Cherokee. The last one produced under the AMC badging. To this day there is one thing about that Jeep I have wished for in every car I have ever owned...the seats! They weren't that special as far as I remember except that they had some adjustments I haven't seen since (manual non-electric adjustments!). You could lean the seat backs nearly all the way flat going back and all the way flat going forward. You could also slide the whole seat front to back nearly from touching the dash to touching the back seats. You could tighten or loosen the lumbar (all it is is a spring). You could tilt the headrest way forward and way back, or leave it in its usual position parallel with the seat back; you could also really easily lift it far up or down or yank it out and toss it in the back when needed. The seatbelt was also totally separated from the seat. And here's the big kicker, the one design feature I can't understand getting rid of: at the front corner of the seat there was a small leaver you could pull that allowed the whole seat to rock like a rocking chair tilting the whole thing up or down on an inverted arc so that you could lock the seat base into the position you like. This is an awesome feature! I have a bodybuilder build with the thick legs that come with that. Most car seats press up into my hamstrings while driving and after an hour or two in the car this starts to get really really uncomfortable. I can't imagine I'm the only one here.
That was a Renault design from what I heard. My 89 XJ had that. Rock the seat and then tilt the back and it was pretty comfortable for a nap.

As to the fuel mileage. That's one reason not all of us XJ owners see the Wrangler Unlimited as a replacement. The weight of the body on frame and the mileage that goes with it. True a unibody today is a lot heavier than the XJ was but it is still lighter than a comparable body on frame.
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Rock/bullet proof windshield. Constant replacing of windshields is my only gripe with any jeep.
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Unread 07-28-2012, 08:03 PM   #88
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Talked to an engineer the other day and he said a diesel is coming in '15.

We shall see.
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The new Jeep Rubicon should come with on board air.
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Unread 07-31-2012, 04:52 AM   #90
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I want Jeep to team up with or buy the design from AEV and build a production model JK 4 door Brute.

Pleeeeease...
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