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Unread 07-22-2013, 09:08 AM   #286
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...They'd probably offer it in the Sport S and Sahara models (probably not in a Rubicon but it's a small possibility).
I agree, the diesel will be offered in the more 'luxurious' package available.
Also, I'm sure it will only be available with an automatic transmission. BUT I do hope they sell!

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Unread 07-22-2013, 11:52 AM   #287
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How many people buying a $22,000 base model will spend the $5,000 extra for the diesel, when they could get better equipment for $27,000 in a higher trim? People already spending $30,000 might go with a slightly less equipped model, but opt for the diesel and pay $33,000. I see why they did what they did.

And yeah it'll probably only mate to the ZF 8 speed. That 8-speed though has really good ratios and will probably have paddle shifters even on the Wrangler, so keeping it where you want it won't be hard at all.
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Unread 07-22-2013, 11:55 AM   #288
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The high cost will cause the diesel to fail in the US. They won't sell enough to make it worthwhile to keep in the line. That is my prediction.
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Unread 07-22-2013, 05:34 PM   #289
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Diesels are more expensive everywhere. The engines cost more to manufacture. As well, they don't sell as well anywhere, so everywhere they have to deal with greater unit cost due to reduced economies of scale.

The VM Motori 3.0's already gone through the extensive and expensive federalization process, so it's here to stay. Doubtless, Fiat-Chrysler will find ways to expand its presence. As well, with Euro-NCAP and the European emissions agencies reforming their regulations to more closely resemble the stricter US rules, future diesels will be easier and cheaper to federalize and will have their development costs spread wider. The return of the diesel is in its infancy right now. Give it time. My money says diesel makes its way into the American market with relative ease this time. Lots of factors are in its favor.
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Unread 07-24-2013, 10:26 AM   #290
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I can only hope that Fiat-Chrysler will see their way to put more diesel options in more models. I love my HUGE Ram with a Cummins, and heavens...it will pull a railroad train from 1500 to 2500rpm!
I regularly pull 22,000 lbs of horses and living quarters all over Kalifornia, so would love to have the economy and reliability of a diesel in even a smaller package like the Wrangler.
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Unread 07-24-2013, 03:14 PM   #291
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Check this out from AutoWeek: http://www.autoblog.com/2013/07/24/c...-caravan-axed/

"These same suppliers say that the current Jeep Wrangler will live on through mid-2018 that's right, another five years. The Detroit News reports that a replacement for the iconic, go-anywhere Jeep was due in mid-2016."

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Unread 07-24-2013, 04:45 PM   #292
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I saw that Autoblog post. Makes me wonder if all that is happening next year now is a minor facelift/update. That's the only way the Autoblog story makes sense.
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Unread 07-24-2013, 09:24 PM   #293
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The next year bit is a facelift, that much is certain. The earliest we'll see a new Wrangler is 2016 for MY 2017. Wrangler has a 10 year cycle.
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Unread 07-25-2013, 07:19 AM   #294
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Check this out from AutoWeek: http://www.autoblog.com/2013/07/24/c...-caravan-axed/

"These same suppliers say that the current Jeep Wrangler will live on through mid-2018 that's right, another five years. The Detroit News reports that a replacement for the iconic, go-anywhere Jeep was due in mid-2016."

If this rumor ends up being true then it will continue to be a long wait for a diesel engine for the JK and there will be no other versions of the Wrangler either until 2018. No pickup.
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If this rumor ends up being true then it will continue to be a long wait for a diesel engine for the JK and there will be no other versions of the Wrangler either until 2018. No pickup.
I don't know how much credence to give the report, but suppliers are usually clued in early so they can get set up to produce things in time. Another factor is that Jeep is basically selling every Wrangler it can produce, so I have to wonder if that takes away incentive to change it? If sales start to slow, then I would think there would be more incentive to change it up. Just because past cycles were X number of years means nothing now.
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Unread 07-25-2013, 08:06 AM   #296
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I don't know how much credence to give the report, but suppliers are usually clued in early so they can get set up to produce things in time. Another factor is that Jeep is basically selling every Wrangler it can produce, so I have to wonder if that takes away incentive to change it? If sales start to slow, then I would think there would be more incentive to change it up. Just because past cycles were X number of years means nothing now.
The incentive to change the JK is the emissions and DOT regulation changes set to come in 2015. At the same time, Euro-NCAP is changing its regulations. This will probably force Jeep's hand for a 2016 or 2017 release of the new product when the JK's exemptions run out. Plus, I doubt if sales for a 10 year old vehicle will be as high as the currently-5-year-old one.
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If this rumor ends up being true then it will continue to be a long wait for a diesel engine for the JK and there will be no other versions of the Wrangler either until 2018. No pickup.
There is a slim possibility the facelift will include the ZF transmission and VM Motori 3.0. I wouldn't hold my breath, but I wouldn't saddle up in despair just yet.
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The other reason is that, if a facelift is coming anyways, certifying the existing diesels for North America is a cheaper way of seeing if it's worth the next-gen having a North American diesel as well.

And, more importantly, the Wrangler doesn't really *need* a facelift or change, not like other Chrysler/Fiat vehicles do. 10 years is archaic for most vehicles, but a 10-year-old Wrangler is perfectly suitable because people aren't buying them looking for class-leading features, they're buying them because they're fun as ****.
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Mostly they're just buying them because they're iconic and have instant brand recognition and loyalty.
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I can only hope that Fiat-Chrysler will see their way to put more diesel options in more models. I love my HUGE Ram with a Cummins, and heavens...it will pull a railroad train from 1500 to 2500rpm!
I regularly pull 22,000 lbs of horses and living quarters all over Kalifornia, so would love to have the economy and reliability of a diesel in even a smaller package like the Wrangler.
What year is your Ram? I've been having a lot of fun for the past year with the Cummins ISX15. You wanna talk about power.
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