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post #271 of 299 Old 07-03-2013, 10:23 PM
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I had a the Freedom Drive II equipped Patriot and it did everything I ever asked it to plus got good gas mileage. When I wanted to step up off roading wise, I bought a Wrangler.


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post #272 of 299 Old 07-04-2013, 09:47 AM
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I can see people running a HOT spooled up turbo in water and boom. Low end a turbo is worthless. a Jeep off road is running around at about idle. were the 4,0 was very good. no turbo is spooling at 600-1200 rpm, its moot.
I just remembered this comment and wanted to point out, the most likely option for the US market, the VM Motori 3.0l CRD V6 has its turbocharger in the valley, way up on the top and back of the engine.



It also has a relatively fast turbine response, owing to variable geometry and high exhaust gas pressure inherent to diesel engines. We're looking at coming onto power under 1000rpm and hitting peak at 2k. Compare to the 4.0 which had power at 1500rpm and hit peak at 3200. Bear in mind, also, that the VM Motori V6 CRD has 420ftlbs at 2000rpm, vs 225ftlbs at 3200rpm for the Jeep 4.0.

Just saying, this whole diesel business is good stuff for an offroader. And it's not like it'd be the first serious turbodiesel 4x4. Look at the LR Defender, for famous example.

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I just remembered this comment and wanted to point out, the most likely option for the US market, the VM Motori 3.0l CRD V6 has its turbocharger in the valley, way up on the top and back of the engine.



It also has a relatively fast turbine response, owing to variable geometry and high exhaust gas pressure inherent to diesel engines. We're looking at coming onto power under 1000rpm and hitting peak at 2k. Compare to the 4.0 which had power at 1500rpm and hit peak at 3200. Bear in mind, also, that the VM Motori V6 CRD has 420ftlbs at 2000rpm, vs 225ftlbs at 3200rpm for the Jeep 4.0.

Just saying, this whole diesel business is good stuff for an offroader. And it's not like it'd be the first serious turbodiesel 4x4. Look at the LR Defender, for famous example.

I agree. The CRD family of engines would be the way to go.

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post #275 of 299 Old 07-04-2013, 11:25 PM
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Oh my God, if Jeep makes that I'm never gonna buy another Jeep ever again! Cry cry cry...Jeep has to make concepts and feel out the markets but I'm sure this is gonna stir the pots of the @ss holes who are obsessed with solid axles and sh*t.

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I can't pinpoint when, but I think that is a concept from some YEARS ago.

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I cant remember if this has been posted yet or not...

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I can't pinpoint when, but I think that is a concept from some YEARS ago.
Given the look of it, I'd guess 2002-04. Kind of that time when Jeep was pulling out concepts that looked like that.

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A truck would be great with the diesel as an option. Scrambler like.

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As long as they keep a manual trans option, I'm happy. I don't want more gears either 6 is plenty. Also, hopefully still solid axles. Diesel would be nice but not if they charge a crazy amount like in the grand cherokee
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As long as they keep a manual trans option, I'm happy. I don't want more gears either 6 is plenty. Also, hopefully still solid axles. Diesel would be nice but not if they charge a crazy amount like in the grand cherokee
Diesel engines cost a lot more to build than gas engines, especially with all the money that went into federalizing the eurodiesel. Sad, but true fact.

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Diesel engines cost a lot more to build than gas engines, especially with all the money that went into federalizing the eurodiesel. Sad, but true fact.
Also, with the GC they only offered it with limited and luxery package. If it was offered on the base model it would be better.
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Also, with the GC they only offered it with limited and luxery package. If it was offered on the base model it would be better.
It wouldn't be any better because people buying Laredos aren't spending the extra money on a diesel when they could get a gas Limited for less. People with money for a Limited might buy the diesel, though. I think the Grand Cherokee will make or break diesel as an SUV/light truck powertrain in America. It highlights very well, both the advantages and disadvantages, while making it available to a much broader audience than the big trucks. Who knows, maybe this combined with Mazda's diesel offerings later this year will shape up to bring America into the diesel age.

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^ That's the upside to them offering a diesel in the Wrangler. They'd probably offer it in the Sport S and Sahara models (probably not in a Rubicon but it's a small possibility). Limited GCs are pricey but for whatever reason Saharas are more popular as far as Wranglers go so I think that'll really show how well the diesel motors will sell!

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