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Unread 09-23-2012, 12:05 PM   #166
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The tdi option had always been an extra few thousand compared to other options. They will likely tack on a few extra just because they'll make money so I think it would be a closer to 5 or 6 extra.

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Unread 09-23-2012, 01:14 PM   #167
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If anyone knows what a diesel particle filter is, expect to see one on the wrangler. Hopefully like anything someone will offer aftermarket mods to get rid of it. It's amazing how detrimental it is to performance.
Yeah, you have to sit around at 1500 rpm for 20 ****ing minutes while you're late. Only then when the filter has burned off all the soot, can you move again. Oh **** no, don't keep pushing through with a clogged filter, hello 30ft lbs of torque and 55mph top speed!

Don't even get me started on DEF either... "BEEPBEEEPBEEPBEEP! DEF fluid is low."

Then the ****ing truck runs out and is reduced to 5mph... keep going and it shuts off.
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Unread 09-23-2012, 01:32 PM   #168
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To be fair, *****ing about DEF being low is like *****ing about how you keep running out of gas. Seriously, it's stupid cheap.
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Unread 09-24-2012, 07:34 AM   #169
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Yeah, you have to sit around at 1500 rpm for 20 ****ing minutes while you're late. Only then when the filter has burned off all the soot, can you move again. Oh **** no, don't keep pushing through with a clogged filter, hello 30ft lbs of torque and 55mph top speed!
Can you explain this? Does the engine at times just need to be idled?
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Unread 09-24-2012, 08:33 AM   #170
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To be fair, *****ing about DEF being low is like *****ing about how you keep running out of gas. Seriously, it's stupid cheap.
Quit making valid points! In my defense, I'm not used to having to fill up a DEF tank, the Pete that I drive doesn't have that. The Volvos at my company do, when you're dead tired, you tend to forget things. I don't normally drive them so it's not routine, usually I'm on autopilot at the truck stops. Like I said... dead tired.

And off topic kinda... an APU is a ****ing godsend.

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Can you explain this? Does the engine at times just need to be idled?
Basically, on a non DEF truck, you idle the truck at whatever RPM, in the case of my truck it's 1500 RPM. You do that for a while and it makes the exhaust extremely hot and it burns off all the soot in the filter. And it always pops up at the most inconvenient times as well. In a truck that uses DEF, it has a tank specifically for it, and it does what my truck does only you don't have to stop. It burns off the soot while you're driving. Convenient as all hell but not when you forget to fill up the tank.

On a Volvo the DEF will last you somewhere in the range of 4000 miles, depends on how much you're pulling mostly.
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Unread 12-07-2012, 09:51 AM   #171
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Looks like Jeep is on a mission trying to develop the next generation Wrangler...
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Unread 12-07-2012, 09:59 AM   #172
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Looks to me like 2 YJ's fighting. Mom allways liked CJ's better.
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Unread 12-11-2012, 06:50 PM   #173
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Quit making valid points! In my defense, I'm not used to having to fill up a DEF tank, the Pete that I drive doesn't have that. The Volvos at my company do, when you're dead tired, you tend to forget things. I don't normally drive them so it's not routine, usually I'm on autopilot at the truck stops. Like I said... dead tired.

And off topic kinda... an APU is a ****ing godsend.

Basically, on a non DEF truck, you idle the truck at whatever RPM, in the case of my truck it's 1500 RPM. You do that for a while and it makes the exhaust extremely hot and it burns off all the soot in the filter. And it always pops up at the most inconvenient times as well. In a truck that uses DEF, it has a tank specifically for it, and it does what my truck does only you don't have to stop. It burns off the soot while you're driving. Convenient as all hell but not when you forget to fill up the tank.

On a Volvo the DEF will last you somewhere in the range of 4000 miles, depends on how much you're pulling mostly.
Thanks for the explanation. Or propane delivery guy was pissed one day because he had to wait around till it cleared up. I think he said it was the second time that day. Wasted his time and could not go home till the deliveries where done. Never really figured out what he was talking about, I kinda thought he was full of **** and just wasting time!
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Unread 12-16-2012, 07:23 AM   #174
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Don't everyone get excited. We get a change every 10 years on major things. The CJ years ran for 10. The YJ 10 years. The TJ, yep 10 years. So the JK family will run for 10 also.
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Unread 12-17-2012, 02:38 PM   #175
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Smaller, much smaller. Like the TJ but smaller. However, a little bigger then the Samuri.
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Unread 12-22-2012, 11:09 AM   #176
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Looks like 2016-2017, straight from the boss' mouth.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/analys...182703354.html

I hope they don't ever put the Wrangler on a Fiat chassis:

"To facilitate Jeep's global growth, Marchionne has decreed that virtually every future Jeep, except for the long-running Wrangler, will share its major underbody components with one or more Fiat group brands. A Chrysler spokesman declined to provide more specific details."

But in the long run, this might be good for getting diesel engines in US Jeeps!
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Unread 12-22-2012, 11:40 AM   #177
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Yup. And the Wrangler will likely get variants, some of which may become Ivecos.

The B-Segment Mini-Jeep will be based off a future Fiat platform.
The C-Segment Compass/Patriot replacement(s) will be based off C-Wide, like the Dart.
The D-Segment Liberty replacement will be built off C-Wide as well, but enlarged.
The E-Segment Grand Cherokee will shortly have a Maserati companion, and will share its platform with the Durango and upcoming Grand Wagoneer.
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Unread 12-22-2012, 07:36 PM   #178
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The B-Segment Mini-Jeep will be based off a future Fiat platform.
The C-Segment Compass/Patriot replacement(s) will be based off C-Wide, like the Dart.
The D-Segment Liberty replacement will be built off C-Wide as well, but enlarged.
The E-Segment Grand Cherokee will shortly have a Maserati companion, and will share its platform with the Durango and upcoming Grand Wagoneer.
Does this mean that the 2012 models are the last of the true "jeeps" before they are infused with Fiat bs?
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Unread 12-22-2012, 08:45 PM   #179
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Does this mean that the 2012 models are the last of the true "jeeps" before they are infused with Fiat bs?
With the exception of the Wrangler and Liberty (to a lesser extent) the "true" jeeps have been gone for a while. The XJ Cherokee was discontinued in 01, the WJ Grand Cherokee in 04. The WK/WK2 Grand Cherokees are on a Daimler (Mercedes) platform. The Compass/Patriot are on the same platform as the Dodge Caliber.

Mechanically you could argue that the last "true" Jeep was the 06 TJ since it was the last one to have a brand unique power-train(4.0L I6). Every Jeep since then has shared a power-train with other Chrysler products . From a manufacturing sense this makes allot of sense and with the Pentistar there is finally a suitable replacement for the 4.0L I6, even if it isn't as unique or easy to work on.

2007-10 were kind of the "dark-ages" for Jeep power-train wise with the failure-prone 3.7L V6/ 4.7L V8, underpowered 3.8L ("mini-van special"), and craptacular Chrysler automatic transmissions (especially the atrocious 42RLE) and CVTs (Patriot/Compass).
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Unread 12-22-2012, 10:52 PM   #180
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Does this mean that the 2012 models are the last of the true "jeeps" before they are infused with Fiat bs?
Are you the last retard to ask that question? I'd love it if that would be the case.

The Liberty replacement will be coming with low-range and front and rear locking differentials in the Trail Rated versions, the Patriot/Compass replacements will likely have the same option. Both will feature more articulation and ground clearance than their existing models.
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