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Unread 09-22-2012, 10:13 PM   #151
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I don't understand why you'd want a diesel. A little extra torque, sure, but who would want to go wheeling with you? You'd choke out yourself and everyone around you. No one likes a diesel at 5 mph.

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Unread 09-22-2012, 10:19 PM   #152
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I don't understand why you'd want a diesel. A little extra torque, sure, but who would want to go wheeling with you? You'd choke out yourself and everyone around you. No one likes a diesel at 5 mph.
I personally love the smell of a diesel.
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Unread 09-22-2012, 10:27 PM   #153
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I don't understand why you'd want a diesel.
I'd buy a diesel wrangler in a heartbeat. Loads of extra torque, much better fuel economy, very usable power off road. I'm surprised they haven't brought diesels here sooner. Look at the demand for diesels in Europe... Almost every Jeep sold there is a diesel. Fuel savings alone is worth the switch.

I'd sell my YJ and daily driver for a brand new wrangler sporting 30+ MPGs
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Unread 09-22-2012, 10:30 PM   #154
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I don't understand why you'd want a diesel. A little extra torque, sure, but who would want to go wheeling with you? You'd choke out yourself and everyone around you. No one likes a diesel at 5 mph.
So is Virginia stuck in the '80s or something? Unless you've got one of GM's diesel Oldsmobiles, or you only wheel with those ******nozzles who compensate for tiny penises by blowing tons of soot out of their engines, you'd never notice the difference.

Land Rover, Unimog and Land Cruiser drivers have been getting along with it just fine for the past 40 years.
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Unread 09-22-2012, 10:33 PM   #155
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You show me a land rover in Appalachia, I'll show you someone who's just visiting. The average annual income around here is about half of what one of those costs.
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Unread 09-22-2012, 10:33 PM   #156
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I drive and stand by diesel Jeeps all the time. Matter of fact i'm in one right now. sound different, and drive different but they don't smell.

I don't know what kind if diesels you're around...
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Unread 09-22-2012, 10:36 PM   #157
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You show me a land rover in Appalachia, I'll show you someone who's just visiting. The average annual income around here is about half of what one of those costs.
Contrary to popular belief, people do drive offroad outside North America.
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Unread 09-22-2012, 10:44 PM   #158
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Contrary to popular belief, people do drive offroad outside North America.
Fair point lol

My questions/comments are based on my personal experience. Yours may, of course, be different. When I consider diesel, I think of rednecks in old trucks that you can smell/hear 1/4 mile away, as that's the majority of the diesel around here.
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Fortunately, they are not representative of the quality of modern diesel engines. About as far as you can get, really. Modern diesels are smooth, quiet and efficient. Inside or outside, you can barely hear or smell a difference unless you're flooring it, and even then it's next to nothing.
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If they would blow smoke like the tractors in a tractor pull that would be bad@$$
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Unread 09-22-2012, 11:23 PM   #161
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Unread 09-23-2012, 08:03 AM   #162
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I have a new tdi vw and I love the diesel. I think it would be really tough for jeep to get it 50 state clean emissions wise though. It took vw 3 years and they've been offering diesels in their cars here for almost 25 years. If anyone knows what a diesel particle filter is, expect to see one on the wrangler. Hopefully like anything someone will offer aftermarket mods to get rid of it. It's amazing how detrimental it is to performance.
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I have a new tdi vw and I love the diesel. I think it would be really tough for jeep to get it 50 state clean emissions wise though. It took vw 3 years and they've been offering diesels in their cars here for almost 25 years. If anyone knows what a diesel particle filter is, expect to see one on the wrangler. Hopefully like anything someone will offer aftermarket mods to get rid of it. It's amazing how detrimental it is to performance.
It's about to get a lot easier. Euro VI emission standards for 2014 are going to be very close to current US EPA standards. This means manufacturers are going to finally start making vehicles compliant in both the US and EU markets, without making different "models". This is going to save the manufacturers a lot of money too, since they can make one design and sell it in both markets.

I can confidently say that diesels will be coming to the US in the next few years. It just makes sense.
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Unread 09-23-2012, 10:16 AM   #164
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The VM 3.0L is already 50-state legal.

The biggest barrier is whether they can make money. In most (All?) of the USA, diesel costs more than gasoline, and diesel engines are substantially more expensive to build than gasoline engines. Plus tons of extra training for the mechanics, additional crash testing, emissions testing, ect ect ect that has to be amortized over each engine, hence why the diesel will likely be a $4000-$5000 option in the Wrangler, and likely about the same price as the Hemi as the Grand Cherokee and Ram.
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Unread 09-23-2012, 11:09 AM   #165
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Here in MA, Diesel is the now same cost as mid-grade gasoline. Prices as of today at my local gas station.

89: $3.84
91: $4.03
93: $4.13

Diesel: $4.05

If consumers were smart, they would realize the MPG advantage and reliability of a diesel over gas engine will very quickly surpass the higher "buy-in" cost of the diesel option. ~50% better MPG's is massive. Right now the Grand Cherokee is rated for 17/23. With the diesel, you're looking at 30mpg or above highway mileage, not to mention the 400+lb/ft of torque.

I agree that diesels are more expensive to develop, but since they are already doing so for the EU market, and the engines are (or will be) 50-state legal, then can they not just sell the EU spec vehicles in the US?
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