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Unread 03-23-2014, 10:23 AM   #151
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I've said it before: there may be as many as 20,000 Jeep purists with enough money floating around to buy a new vehicle if it was a standards-compliant CJ clone at JK pricing. However, just to get the JK to that price point, they had to be sure they'd sell at least 100,000 units a year for 10 years. Lucky for Jeep, there was about 1.5 million buyers' worth of demand for the JK. So they can justify making the JK. The amount of demand for a CJ clone is puny, almost non-existent on the scale that automotive production needs to address.

Dodge produced around 25,000 Vipers between 1992 and 2008. In order to make that a profitable venture, they had to sell them for the equivalent of $120,000. Compare to the Corvette, which sold 503,000 units in the same time and is priced starting at $55,000's historical equivalent. Economies of scale is the single most important factor in the cost of a car. If you can make a lot of that car, you can charge less for it. If you can't make a lot of that car, you have to charge more for it. And demand determines how much you can produce: if there's little demand, you can only produce a few, and therefore your price must be high.

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Unread 03-23-2014, 11:23 AM   #152
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The only reason to own a CJ is so you can be stuck up toward other Jeepers.
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Unread 03-23-2014, 11:27 AM   #153
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Well the CJ did come first! and to all you wannabe Jeepers a CJ7 is not a Wrangler! I hate when people ask me what year is your Wrangler?
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Unread 03-23-2014, 11:43 AM   #154
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The only reason to own a CJ is so you can be stuck up toward other Jeepers.
Or just cause they're cool. If I had one I wouldn't even wheel it
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Unread 03-23-2014, 03:05 PM   #155
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Well the CJ did come first! and to all you wannabe Jeepers a CJ7 is not a Wrangler! I hate when people ask me what year is your Wrangler?
So what year is your Wrangler?

A CJ7 isn't the original CJ either, don't get stuck up about it.
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Unread 03-24-2014, 11:08 AM   #156
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IMO the best chance at getting a CJ 'clone' would be in the new smaller car segments. While there is rumor of an A segment Jeep being built the problem would be if it is Cherokee/Renegade'd so that you can't actually build it, or if it will be more easily modded. I doubt you will see a as sold model as capable as a CJ outside the wrangler line however it may be possible to build one from a different line if Jeep Engineers decide to throw us a bone.
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ha! now I'm not saying I don't love our cherokee or that I haven't seen a few good looking cherokees, but either you are giving your xj too much credit or you've done 4x4'd yourself retarded, girls don't drop em for cherokees, now wranglers on the other hand...:rofl:
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Unread 03-24-2014, 07:47 PM   #157
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But what you guys aren't getting is that there's no bone that can be thrown. Even if there was demand for what would essentially amount to a road-legal side-by-side with a proper top and a bigger engine (And, given the price of existing side-by-sides, just those changes would push it into Wrangler price already), it would be impossible to build to meet safety regulations.

The CJ is dead. Accept it and move on.
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Unread 03-24-2014, 07:56 PM   #158
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But what you guys aren't getting is that there's no bone that can be thrown. Even if there was demand for what would essentially amount to a road-legal side-by-side with a proper top and a bigger engine (And, given the price of existing side-by-sides, just those changes would push it into Wrangler price already), it would be impossible to build to meet safety regulations. The CJ is dead. Accept it and move on.
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Unread 03-24-2014, 09:05 PM   #159
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Pretty much, yeah.

And, for the first time in a long time, I can safely say: What the **** IS that? The suspension and what I can see out of the front make it look like it started out as a Yamaha Rhino, but that's one hell of a body kit.
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Unread 03-24-2014, 09:31 PM   #160
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Pretty much, yeah.

And, for the first time in a long time, I can safely say: What the **** IS that? The suspension and what I can see out of the front make it look like it started out as a Yamaha Rhino, but that's one hell of a body kit.
It's a custom side by side street legal ATV. Can't recall the name at the moment but it has a 900cc motorcycle engine or something in it and a 6 speed manual transmission. No idea on the price or where a retailer is either but it's cool, same company makes one that looks like a Hummer as well.
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Unread 03-24-2014, 09:53 PM   #161
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But what you guys aren't getting is that there's no bone that can be thrown. Even if there was demand for what would essentially amount to a road-legal side-by-side with a proper top and a bigger engine (And, given the price of existing side-by-sides, just those changes would push it into Wrangler price already), it would be impossible to build to meet safety regulations.

The CJ is dead. Accept it and move on.
Side-by-sides replaced the CJ years ago. They fill the exact same role as the CJ2A and CJ3.
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Unread 03-24-2014, 10:01 PM   #162
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Found it, took some Googling. It's the Oreion Reeper (Yes, that spelling is correct. Hopefully the owner is a better engineer than writer. )

They also make one that's modelled after the H2 that's about as pleasant to look at as aborted fetus.



They're 'road legal' in a loose term, inasmuch as they seem to exploit loopholes in motorcycle licensing. Still, you can technically drive them on most roads, although they don't go very fast and I'd expect to get stopped by confused cops quite a bit.

Plus, they start at $15,000. Not much of a bargain when a lightly-used JK can be had for that much.
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Side-by-sides replaced the CJ years ago. They fill the exact same role as the CJ2A and CJ3.
Even before that, the commercial and industrial uses of the CJ were generally replaced by, depending on the application, pickups, purpose-built small tractors and John Deere Gators. Jeep hasn't even been vaguely relevant commercially since the '70s. And I've yet to been unable to follow a side-by-side down a path in my TJ-granted, I know they exist, but most people who're running vehicles off-road that way aren't buying brand new Jeeps for it either.
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Unread 03-26-2014, 08:02 PM   #164
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Pretty much, yeah.

And, for the first time in a long time, I can safely say: What the **** IS that?
Square headlights. I figured it must be a YJ
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