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Unread 05-07-2013, 07:22 AM   #61
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I've been driving Mercedes Sprinter vans for years and the V6 VM motors are awesome to live with. Starts when it's 20 below 0. Never breaks and awesome power when the turbo kicks in hard.
It is the same motor used in the new Jeeps.
I thought the Sprinters used Mercedes diesels?

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Unread 05-07-2013, 10:42 AM   #62
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I have a Cummins in my Ram, and I can tell you, when it comes up on the turbo, you move!
I for one would love to see more diesels in vehicles in the U.S.
It seems that the idea of the old black smoke belching diesel is ingrained into the American psyche,
and they just won't let go of it.
Today's diesel is more efficient, and as clean, as quiet, ( almost), as a gas motor.

They are also so much more efficient on the highway, they get great mileage.
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Unread 05-07-2013, 01:56 PM   #63
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When I consider the difference in cost for a gallon of diesel fuel, and the additional thousands they tack onto the price for a diesel engine, it is not clear to me that I could ever break even on it.
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Unread 05-07-2013, 03:17 PM   #64
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It seems that the idea of the old black smoke belching diesel is ingrained into the American psyche,
and they just won't let go of it.
Today's diesel is more efficient, and as clean, as quiet, ( almost), as a gas motor.
But I wish I could still get a black smoke belching diesel. I really like pissing off Green Piece, the Sierra Club, The EPA, and everyone who drives a prius.
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Unread 05-07-2013, 07:58 PM   #65
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But I wish I could still get a black smoke belching diesel. I really like pissing off Green Piece, the Sierra Club, The EPA, and everyone who drives a prius.
Works for me Ive got an 02 cummins w/o the muff--juiced also
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Unread 05-07-2013, 09:27 PM   #66
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Also keeps the tailgaters off your rear when they suck up that black cloud through their ventilation system and fill the cab.
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Unread 05-11-2013, 02:01 PM   #67
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As a diesel fanatic, you guys do realize that you look like ******* frat boys when 'rolling coal', right? That just screams 'LOOK AT MY TINY PENIS! I HAVE A TINY PENIS AND HAVE TO GET ATTENTION BY BEING A FUEL-WASTING *******!'
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Unread 05-11-2013, 06:42 PM   #68
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Also keeps the tailgaters off your rear when they suck up that black cloud through their ventilation system and fill the cab.
I've actually been the guy following well beyond a normal distance with the vents shut down to avoid the black cloud. I can speak from experience. lol It doesn't happen often enough to bother me, but if it did that would be different.
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Unread 05-15-2013, 06:22 PM   #69
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As a diesel fanatic, you guys do realize that you look like ******* frat boys when 'rolling coal', right? That just screams 'LOOK AT MY TINY PENIS! I HAVE A TINY PENIS AND HAVE TO GET ATTENTION BY BEING A FUEL-WASTING *******!'
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ha! now I'm not saying I don't love our cherokee or that I haven't seen a few good looking cherokees, but either you are giving your xj too much credit or you've done 4x4'd yourself retarded, girls don't drop em for cherokees, now wranglers on the other hand...:rofl:
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Unread 09-28-2014, 01:04 PM   #70
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How many treads are there on this subject. No more US diesels until ecodiesel sales increase.

The guys rolling coal are probably going to hurt the cause of getting more diesels. They will cause the EPA to tighten the standards in tuning and emissions. I hope they start ticketing for rolling coal, the EPA $10k fine.
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Unread 10-03-2014, 12:59 PM   #71
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How many treads are there on this subject. No more US diesels until ecodiesel sales increase.
Exactly how many ecodiesels are they talking about?

http://www.greencarreports.com/news/...-to-get-diesel

Oct. 1, 2014

Increased fuel efficiency has apparently struck a chord with full-size pickup-truck buyers: Chrysler said yesterday it would double production of its 2015 Ram 1500 EcoDiesel in response to soaring demand.

Ram announced that it will now build the diesel powertrain mix into 20 percent of total Ram 1500 volume--fully twice the number the company originally expected to produce.


Demand for the diesel half-ton truck has been robust from the start.

When it first started taking orders earlier this year, Ram received 8,000 requests in just three days, completely selling out the initial allocation for the 1500 EcoDiesel.

The only diesel half-ton pickup currently available, the Ram 1500 EcoDiesel boasts an EPA fuel-economy rating of 23 mpg combined (20 mpg city, 28 mpg highway) for rear-wheel drive models.

Four-wheel drive models are rated at 22 mpg combined (19 mpg city, 27 mpg highway).

Some drivers are reportedly exceeding those mileage ratings in the real world, with anecdotal mileage estimates in the low-30 mpg range.

This isn't unknown for diesel vehicles; Volkswagen Jetta TDI drivers have bragged about exceeding the mileage figures on their window stickers for years.

However, it's fairly unusual for drivers of full-size pickup trucks to brag about their mileage--especially fuel economy above 20 miles per gallon. For standard pickups, 30 mpg was seen as an unattainable dream just a couple of years ago.

The 3.0-liter EcoDiesel V-6 engine is also used in the Jeep Grand Cherokee EcoDiesel.

It's manufactured by VM Motori, a division of the Fiat Powertrain unit of Ram's parent company Fiat Chrysler Automobiles.

The engine produces 240 horsepower and 420 pound-feet of torque; the sole available transmission is an eight-speed automatic.

Like the rest of the Ram 1500 truck range, the EcoDiesel is equipped with other fuel-saving features, including active grille shutters, aerodynamic under-body panels, and an engine stop-start system.
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Unread 10-03-2014, 03:20 PM   #72
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Exactly how many ecodiesels are they talking about?
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Good story on the Ram, heres some on the Grand Cherokee.

http://autoomobile.com/news/2015-jee...to-us/1008828/

Here's another one, ask Mike.

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"CHELSEA, Mich. -- Jeep brand head Mike Manley says sales of diesel-powered Jeep Grand Cherokees in the United States would have to nearly double before the brand would consider offering a domestic diesel-powered version of the smaller Jeep Cherokee.

Speaking to reporters at a media day here at Chrysler Group’s Chelsea Proving Grounds, Manley said diesel now accounts for about 8 percent of Grand Cherokee sales in the United States.

Jeep began selling a diesel Grand Cherokee last year, powered by the VM Motori 3.0-liter V-6 EcoDiesel engine. Though the diesel Grand Cherokee sells at a $4,500 premium, it also offers up to 30 mpg highway.

“I think what we’re going to see is a continued increase in market acceptance. The initial dealer take was higher, and now we’re seeing the market settle down to about 8 percent,” Manley said. “That will, over time, continue to grow.”

Ram began selling versions of its Ram 1500 light-duty pickup earlier this year powered with the same 3.0-liter V-6 EcoDiesel. The Ram diesels have proven popular since arriving in dealerships in March, and Manley said Jeep is, so far, not getting any pressure from Ram to give up diesels slated for the Grand Cherokee to use in Ram pickups.

Manley said bringing a diesel-powered Cherokee, which it now sells in Europe, to the United States is more complicated than was the decision to test the diesel waters with Grand Cherokee. In Europe, the Cherokee is powered by a 2.8-liter inline-four diesel.

“Cherokee is slightly different because of its weight and size. When I think about bringing Cherokee diesel here, I would like to see Grand Cherokee diesel get much higher than 8 percent,” Manley said. “It would have to be in mid-double digits.”

Jeep fans have long requested diesel powertrains because of their high torque at low rpms, making them perfect for off-road performance.

“You never can tell, really. We’ve obviously invested in diesel for Europe. I never rule anything out with diesel for the Jeep brand,” Manley said."

And too follow that up, big changes maybe in store for the Wrangler.

http://www.dailytech.com/CAFE+Forcin...ticle36658.htm
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Unread 10-03-2014, 09:19 PM   #73
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Why did they decide to stick a diesel in the Grand Cherokee first? For towing? For fuel economy? I see a lot of Grands in Wisconsin, but the vast majority are just daily drivers. I don't recall much towing going on. Are people that buy a Grand Cherokee or a Cherokee really going to want a diesel. Seems like a better idea to start with more of an off road vehicle such as the wrangler where there are likely to be more purchases of diesels. Its doesn't seem like the Grand is the best place to start testing the waters. I don't know jack, maybe someone can enlighten me.
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Why did they decide to stick a diesel in the Grand Cherokee first? For towing? For fuel economy? I see a lot of Grands in Wisconsin, but the vast majority are just daily drivers. I don't recall much towing going on. Are people that buy a Grand Cherokee or a Cherokee really going to want a diesel. Seems like a better idea to start with more of an off road vehicle such as the wrangler where there are likely to be more purchases of diesels. Its doesn't seem like the Grand is the best place to start testing the waters. I don't know jack, maybe someone can enlighten me.
To meet the upcoming CAFE requirement.
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Unread 10-05-2014, 06:34 PM   #75
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Exactly how many ecodiesels are they talking about?

http://www.greencarreports.com/news/...-to-get-diesel

Oct. 1, 2014

Increased fuel efficiency has apparently struck a chord with full-size pickup-truck buyers: Chrysler said yesterday it would double production of its 2015 Ram 1500 EcoDiesel in response to soaring demand.

Ram announced that it will now build the diesel powertrain mix into 20 percent of total Ram 1500 volume--fully twice the number the company originally expected to produce.


Demand for the diesel half-ton truck has been robust from the start.
DUH!!
The public has only been wanting 1/2 ton diesels for a couple of decades.
The only people I think who really wouldn't want one are those that bought 5.7L diesel pickups from GM years ago.


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When it first started taking orders earlier this year, Ram received 8,000 requests in just three days, completely selling out the initial allocation for the 1500 EcoDiesel. ....
So sad that they really didn't see this a possible outcome. sounds like all the new people at RAM are not from the US.

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The only diesel half-ton pickup currently available, the Ram 1500 EcoDiesel boasts an EPA fuel-economy rating of 23 mpg combined (20 mpg city, 28 mpg highway) for rear-wheel drive models.
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Having the ONLY diesel powered 1/2 ton they will find it a good seller.
They better make em while they have the only game in town.

Gee Its No wonder They are unsure if a diesel Jeep would sell. they have no faith.
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