Right on XJ2....lots of armchair experts out there.
There is NO way a new vehicle based on Fiat platforms can be ready as a 2011MY. It would have to launch in fall 2010 which is about 15 months out. A major new vehicle program is 30 months minimum. Even shoehorning a new powertrain in an existing platform takes 2 yrs minimum.
And I would be shocked if they made a Jeep Panda, unless it's to satisfy The Three Stooges' CAFE requirements. Otherwise it makes no sense at all, so either IHS doesn't know wtf they're talking about or Fiat itself is incredibly out of touch. And yes, the three stooges are Obama, Pelosi, and Reid.
Interesting that they think the Compass and Patriot might be going away, though.
well, this has been floating around the net for a few weeks...I would think it would be CAFE based almost entirely...I would think the Compass is toast, but I would kind of be surprised if the Patriot is, unless they plan to kill every vehicle made on that platform...
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It's a neat looking little vehicle. It'd probably work for the majority of the commuting I do. When you get 8+ inches of snow overnight, it's nice to have 4WD. Don't know about road clearance though. And those tires look so tiny. I guess I'd have to do a little research on the 'Panda Cross' before I made up my mind. If the base price really is that low, I'd probably be inclined to buy one.
I just watched a few youtube videos of the Panda Cross. I retract my previous statement about buying one. It's a neat little car, but it doesn't have enough road clearance. I like the idea of a high torque fuel efficient diesel, but I think the average Subaru would stomp all over that thing. It'd be a good car for the price but it's not a Jeep...not in any sense of the name.
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If it's a real 4wd, not some FWD/AWD combo, then hells yea.
A track width about the size of a Suzuki, 5 speed manual, a tiny car that should do really well on tight trails.
Something will have to be done about the independently sprung wheels, but hell, a D35 would be considered overkill on that thing.
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Did anyone see that in the second article posted? maybe its not allll bad...
EDIT. dang. I should probly read ALLL of your posts. Not just the first line.
That's only a prediction, and I highly doubt that the Patriot is going anywhere, since Jeep has promised a Patriot EV by 2013. The Compass's days are numbered, for sure, but I doubt the Patriot is going anywhere in the near future.
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My Wrangler is my daily driver. If it became a dedicated trail rig, and I were to get another Jeep for the daily schlep, and it wasn't going to be a Wrangler, I'd look into pretty much anything else, even the Patriot. You may call it "elitist" but it doesn't make a whole lot of sense, neither the name-calling nor the purchase. If you want something like a Compass, there are much better vehicles to be had for the price, and if you want a Jeep, there are much better Jeeps to be had and that aren't an eyesore embarrassment.
Calling the Compass a Jeep is like calling Lieberman a Democrat. It may be his claim, and therefore it may be technically true, but it's purely a label to help it sell. If you bought it, fine, but don't be all pissy when people put it down.