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Unread 07-18-2011, 05:40 PM   #1
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New Grand Wagoneer ? ! ? ! ? whats up ? ! ? ! ?

Anybody heard anything new on this projected 13'/14' Wagoneer ? ! ? ! ?

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Unread 07-18-2011, 10:05 PM   #2
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Ive heard something, but honestly dont care. A wagoneer is just going to be the Commander 2.0 and I wasnt impressed with that.
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Unread 07-18-2011, 10:45 PM   #3
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Actually, no.

The Grand Wagoneer should be available around '13/'14. It's going to be based on the Durango's wheelbase with the Grand Cherokee's 4X4 system.

It's going to start probably around $60,000 or so and compete with the biggest and most luxurious off-road capable SUVs on the market-Land Rovers, Mercedes G-Wagens, Land Cruisers, the like. It's going to incorporate the same styling and, probably, grille as the older Grand Wagoneers.
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great another overpriced 4x4, what happened to suvs (although if im not mistaken, i may be, the durango chassis it woulsd presumably be based off of is a unibody so not technically a suv which i consider frame on body truck based vehicles, but i digress) were cheap jack of all trades work vehicles?


edit: when i say cheap i mean similar price as the trucks they were based off of, of course trucks were really geared more as work vehicles back then. not coming standard with an automatic, and cd player and ac.
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great another overpriced 4x4, what happened to suvs (although if im not mistaken, i may be, the durango chassis it would presumably be based off of is a unibody so not technically a suv which i consider frame on body truck based vehicles, but i digress) were cheap jack of all trades work vehicles?
So what term do you use for all the XJ Cherokee's that were built from 1984 till 2001?
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I wonder if Jeep really believes that releasing an EXPENSIVE SUV will be a good idea in this economy? Or do they think that because it has the Wagoneer name that people will flock to it and take a loan out?
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Unread 07-19-2011, 03:41 PM   #7
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So what term do you use for all the XJ Cherokee's that were built from 1984 till 2001?
i call it the only crossover that got it right (of coarse im biased i used to drive one b4 i got my lj)


crossover because it was a uni body
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I wonder if Jeep really believes that releasing an EXPENSIVE SUV will be a good idea in this economy? Or do they think that because it has the Wagoneer name that people will flock to it and take a loan out?
Luxury car and SUV sales are up close to double over previous years.
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Luxury car and SUV sales are up close to double over previous years.
Ah, thanks for the heads up. I guess I should do some research before I say stuff.
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Don't worry, it's an easy assumption to make.

The new Wagoneer is a halo vehicle anyways-since it'll be sharing its platform with 4 other vehicles (Grand Cherokee, Durango, Alfa Romeo SUV and Maserati SUV), the platform will be overall profitable easily, so the Grand Wagoneer (And probably the Maserati version too) won't need to sell more than a handful each year to pay for themselves.
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I was wonder why the "New Durango" looks like the "New Grand Cherokee" from the front, A simple grill n light swap and a shiny "Grand Wagoneer" badge and shazzam for little effort they jck the price another $5-$7K or more and have it be all profit ;-)

Basically waiting for the Durango to get a bit stale/pay off the tooling, Then Shazzam it be comes a "Jeep Wagoneer" and all idiots with more money than brains buys a million of them . . .

Brilliant move CryCo, This will just like the "New Jeep Truck" its a converted rig already in production increased cost slim increased profit high . . . Its "NEW" so everybody will want one just cause its "new" which in this case will be mostly pocketed money as the "its all new" factor from the GC n DD will have 98% of the tool paid for it'll be as highly profitable as the 89'-91' Grand Wagoneer's were . . . Which was design started in 84' which was just a dressed Wag which started production in 62/63 so the majority of the finale addition wag's were only material and labor costs ;-)

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Actually, the Durango will continue-if either of them has a limited run, it'll be the Grand Wagoneer.

The Grand Wagoneer will trade the Durango's road-oriented coil suspension and AWD transfer case for the Grand Cherokee Overland's adjustable air bag suspension and true 4WD transfer case as well.

The interior will be better-appointed than either the Durango Citadel or the Grand Cherokee Overland.

Additionally, it won't share a single body panel with either the Grand Cherokee or Durango. People who have seen the design prototypes actually say it looks a lot like the originals, but modernized-in the same way a modern JK resembles a Willys MB. Some versions even include wood paneling.

Engine choices are up in the air, but it sounds like the Hemi will be the base engine, possibly the only one. There are rumours about the 6.4L SRT Hemi from the Grand Cherokee SRT-8 will be an option, but it's only a rumour at this point. Not looking too likely, since it's been said that that engine will ONLY be used in SRT-8 vehicles, but at the same time it's entirely possible that there'll be a Grand Wagoneer SRT-8.

Also, what's with the mocking saving money by using multiple platforms? It's an excellent idea. No sense reinventing the wheel. And keep in mind that the original Grand Wagoneers were the halo luxury trucks of their day, too.
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The Grand Wagoneer will trade the Durango's road-oriented coil suspension and AWD transfer case for the Grand Cherokee Overland's adjustable air bag suspension and true 4WD transfer case as well.
Road oriented coils & off road air-bags ?
Airbags are rubbish off-road - the one guy I know with the airrock set up, has torn all 4 bags.
Transfer cases don't give a rig 'true 4wd', lockers do.
This is all silly though, as none of these rigs are designed for a picnic in the hammers.
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Road oriented coils & off road air-bags ?
Airbags are rubbish off-road - the one guy I know with the airrock set up, has torn all 4 bags.
Transfer cases don't give a rig 'true 4wd', lockers do.
This is all silly though, as none of these rigs are designed for a picnic in the hammers.
sorry bud, but i think you may have your terms mixed up. t-case gives "true 4wd" (compared to pretend 4wd?), you're thinking of a center differential, like in an evolution, STi, or liberty ( just a jab at the KJ guys)
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Unread 07-22-2011, 07:28 PM   #15
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I guess I'm stupid, because I don't see how they will sell high priced vehicles with a shrinking economy and middle class. Most of us need something inexpensive without the extras.

I'm glad to see the Wagoneer and really glad they are bringing back some of the old styling. I just wish they would consider the less well off folks who would like a rugged bare bones suv.
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