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Unread 10-06-2009, 06:48 AM   #31
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GM still has the 6-cyl inline in the Trailblazers / Envoys, why not in the Jeep????

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Unread 10-06-2009, 06:50 AM   #32
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GM still has the 6-cyl inline in the Trailblazers / Envoys, why not in the Jeep????
Because the GM I6 meets CAFE standards and the 22 year old 4.0L doesn't. I agree though.
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Unread 10-06-2009, 09:50 AM   #33
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GM still has the 6-cyl inline in the Trailblazers / Envoys, why not in the Jeep????
Which are being discontinued. I guess the I-5 in the Colorado may live on but I don't think they use the I-6 in anything else. I don't think GM sells the Trailblazer/Envoy outside of North America.
Chrysler developed the Wrangler to be sold in Europe so it must meet European safety regs too. One big reason why the front fenders are plastic is because of the pedestrian safety standards over there. Why do you think the Compass has that stuffed cheek look? Instead of telling people not to walk in front of cars the car makers have to bend over backwards and make softer cars.
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Unread 10-09-2009, 03:18 AM   #34
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Which are being discontinued. I guess the I-5 in the Colorado may live on but I don't think they use the I-6 in anything else. I don't think GM sells the Trailblazer/Envoy outside of North America.
Chrysler developed the Wrangler to be sold in Europe so it must meet European safety regs too. One big reason why the front fenders are plastic is because of the pedestrian safety standards over there. Why do you think the Compass has that stuffed cheek look? Instead of telling people not to walk in front of cars the car makers have to bend over backwards and make softer cars.
I've read that the reason that the front end of the JK's grills are angled back, is because if you run into a pedestrian, there is less injury????

Instead of getting hit, and thrown where ever, with the slanted grill, you now fly over the hood, and over the top, and still will probably die.
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Unread 10-09-2009, 03:36 AM   #35
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dude. thats ugly. why do they a face lift on a retired beast. they were get back in the day. didnt really sell they good back then. doubt they will now. but who knows these days
I agree with you on this topic.

I think most vehicles that are made today are uglier than ever. I always thought that GM made some nice looking vehicles, back in the day, but all of there stuff now, doesn't ever appeal to me anymore, just like the Jeep lineup.

Most cars to me look very identical, it is sometimes hard to fiquire out which make is which anymore, BUT, there will be always plenty of people buying them. I thought for sure that the Jeep Wrangler sales would be wayyy down, after the introduction of the new JK.

How about the new Camaro, doesn't even look anything like the old Camaro used to look like.

Not to get off the Jeep topic, but I think the best remake of an old school muscle car, is the Challenger.
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Unread 10-09-2009, 09:02 AM   #36
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I've read that the reason that the front end of the JK's grills are angled back, is because if you run into a pedestrian, there is less injury????
Slight aerodynamic improvement too.
European pedestrian impact standards. I think for the US the JK could still have a metal grill and metal front fenders but since the JK is sold over there Jeep decided on one type of front end for all of them. That is possibly another reason for the V6. Europe requires more space between the hood and top of engine. So when the people you hit land on the hood is collapses and won't hurt as much. A V engine has a lower profile than an inline engine. Maybe Jeep should build a new version of the old slant 6? Lower profile and still a torquey inline 6.
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Unread 10-09-2009, 06:19 PM   #37
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Slight aerodynamic improvement too.
European pedestrian impact standards. I think for the US the JK could still have a metal grill and metal front fenders but since the JK is sold over there Jeep decided on one type of front end for all of them. That is possibly another reason for the V6. Europe requires more space between the hood and top of engine. So when the people you hit land on the hood is collapses and won't hurt as much. A V engine has a lower profile than an inline engine. Maybe Jeep should build a new version of the old slant 6? Lower profile and still a torquey inline 6.
Yes, I'll agree with you that the aerodynamics are a part of it too. Who says it won't hurt as much, might be more painfull, only the person that is hit might be able to tell you that, if they are not dead. Look at all of the new trucks, do they have a slanted grill, no. The new Dodge pickup, has more of a grill forward configuration, and the Ford is pretty much flat in the front, GM too.

As for the old school slant 6, don't really have much of a comment about it, but back in 76', my Mom had a ugly *** Dodge Aspen with that motor in it. I drove it one time, and it would easily smoke a tire which was no problem.

It was ugly *** red, with a white vinyl top, with white interier. What were they thinking back then.
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Unread 10-11-2009, 06:17 PM   #38
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Reminds me of the of the 2 door Grand Cherokee GT

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Unread 10-11-2009, 07:20 PM   #39
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Yes, I'll agree with you that the aerodynamics are a part of it too. Who says it won't hurt as much, might be more painful, only the person that is hit might be able to tell you that, if they are not dead. Look at all of the new trucks, do they have a slanted grill, no. The new Dodge pickup, has more of a grill forward configuration, and the Ford is pretty much flat in the front, GM too.
One thing all those pickups have in common is they are not sold in Europe so those pedestrian impact standards don't apply. But if viewed from above they do curve a little for aerodynamics. Probably most notable on the GM pickups. Keeping the traditional Jeep look on the JK meant looking in other areas (grill slant) for aerodynamics.
I never said the European pedestrian impact laws made sense. I just know that the hoods on new vehicles sold over there have to be flimsy and have space between it and anything under the hood. Personally I think it makes more sense for people to use crosswalks and not to jaywalk.
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Unread 10-14-2009, 01:06 AM   #40
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Reminds me of the of the 2 door Grand Cherokee GT

That is definately butt hole ugly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No dubs for me please!!!!
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Unread 10-14-2009, 01:19 AM   #41
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One thing all those pickups have in common is they are not sold in Europe so those pedestrian impact standards don't apply. But if viewed from above they do curve a little for aerodynamics. Probably most notable on the GM pickups. Keeping the traditional Jeep look on the JK meant looking in other areas (grill slant) for aerodynamics.
I never said the European pedestrian impact laws made sense. I just know that the hoods on new vehicles sold over there have to be flimsy and have space between it and anything under the hood. Personally I think it makes more sense for people to use crosswalks and not to jaywalk.
I used to go on a certain website a long time ago, but not anymore, cause all of the sick *** accidents from peoples stupidity, and I can see why they might put these standards into place.

People just need to pay more attention to what they are doing when they are walking, crossing a street, or doing whatever.
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Unread 10-16-2009, 08:00 PM   #42
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I agree with you on this topic.

I think most vehicles that are made today are uglier than ever. I always thought that GM made some nice looking vehicles, back in the day, but all of there stuff now, doesn't ever appeal to me anymore, just like the Jeep lineup.

Most cars to me look very identical, it is sometimes hard to fiquire out which make is which anymore, BUT, there will be always plenty of people buying them. I thought for sure that the Jeep Wrangler sales would be wayyy down, after the introduction of the new JK.

How about the new Camaro, doesn't even look anything like the old Camaro used to look like.

Not to get off the Jeep topic, but I think the best remake of an old school muscle car, is the Challenger.
IMO today's cars look better than ever. Nice clean, edgy styling. The 90s were a quagmire of lumpy, mushy, marshmallow vehicles. I can't stand looking at a 90s F-150.
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Unread 10-16-2009, 09:44 PM   #43
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I agree that the 90s era was made up of some butt ugly cars. With the exception of the dodge ram second generation, I do like that body styling. I think the early 00s is probably my favorite group of cars besides the 70s. I liked the Liberty, wrangler, dakota, ram, and silverado styling... But I cant really point out one vehicle that I like the new body styling of. I have a friend who flips off every jk he sees.

I doubt we will ever see the inline six again, which is probably why when i swap my 2.4 out I will go for the 4.0 instead of a V8.

I dont know if I would really want jeep to have a return of the J-series right now, because I would probably hate it. Oh well. Older crap is cheaper anyway right?
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Unread 10-27-2009, 01:59 AM   #44
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Ugly, & fugly are two different meanings.

Yeah, I'll agree the YJ is ugly in ( stock form )

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Unread 10-29-2009, 06:43 AM   #45
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Just changed my last post, cause I did not want to piss anyone off on what I had to say.

Just to make things even, I'm an old school Chevy man, and still am, but for the newer Chevys, they suck.

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