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Unread 05-12-2009, 11:30 AM   #1
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Modern M151 MUTT

The Marines have a contract for a modern version of the MUTT, apparently based on the original engineering. And it ain't cheap- $209,000 each.

http://www.g503.com/forums/viewtopic...f1841762e3993c

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The idea for such a vehicle was developed in 1999 by the Marine Corps, which wanted a vehicle that could be carried in the V-22 Osprey aircraft to support assault operations and that would tow a 120mm mortar and an ammunition trailer.

Today, instead of one vehicle that could serve both functions, there are two -- one for reconnaissance and a shorter version that tows the mortar and ammunition trailer -- built by the same company.

The first Growlers in the mortar program -- officially called internally transportable vehicles, or ITVs -- have been deployed to Marine units, but with limited combat capabilities. Because of their light armor and ammunition safety problems, "you can't run it up the highway in an urban area such as Iraq," said John Garner, the Marines' program manager for the vehicle. "But it could accompany foot-mobile Marine infantry in a not-built-up area such as Afghanistan," he added.

The inspector general report said that the average cost of a single Growler has risen 120 percent, from about $94,000 when the contract was awarded in 2004 to $209,000 in 2008. The unit cost for the vehicle with mortar and ammunition trailer has grown 86 percent, from $579,000 to $1,078,000.
This article is from 2005, before the price doubled:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washing...rps-jeep_x.htm

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WASHINGTON — The Marine Corps is paying $100,000 apiece for a revamped Vietnam-era jeep as part of its program to outfit the hybrid airplane-helicopter V-22 Osprey, Pentagon records show.

That's seven times what a deluxe commercial version of the vehicle costs. It's also three times what U.S. Export-Import Bank records show the Dominican Republic paid four years ago for a military version of the vehicle, called the Growler, a recycled version of the M151 jeep.
Apparently you can buy a similar kit version of the vehicle for $7500




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Unread 05-12-2009, 12:08 PM   #2
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Well their it is $208,000.99 for a Jeep copy. Quick some one take the taxpayers Check book from then! Before they try to put wheels on battleships.

Why not make 1200 short J8's for $ 35 K each and call it,"J air-mobile short support-Marine Corps". Or short for. J-***-
Marine corps. Then they could use the money left over for their family's.
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Unread 05-12-2009, 03:50 PM   #3
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This part is funny
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By choosing General Dynamics and American Growler, the Marines were able to procure an existing vehicle that was equipped with components that could be purchased "off the shelf," avoiding costs of research and developing an entirely new vehicle. While the Rae-Beck entry was found to be superior in some tests, the Growler, according to Garner, was better "in the most important ones."

But after the contract was awarded, Garner said, "there were significant additions made for capability." For example, an air suspension had to be added to allow the Growler to get on and off the Osprey because it could raise and lower its height.
Why not just make the top of the rollcage removable or foldable?
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Unread 05-12-2009, 09:49 PM   #4
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Now don't confuse them, just get their check book.
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Unread 05-13-2009, 09:47 AM   #5
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I think $209,000 is too expensive for such thing.
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Unread 05-13-2009, 02:16 PM   #6
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I think $209,000 is too expensive for such thing.
If you think that's bad you should see how much they pay for a hammer or toilet seat. NO JOKE
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Unread 05-21-2009, 06:20 PM   #7
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How about one of these?
Carolina Growler
http://growleruv.com/pro_gro.html
They have a few different models and I'm sure are much cheaper than what the marines are using.
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This part is funny


Why not just make the top of the rollcage removable or foldable?
Wouldnt that compromise the strength of it?
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Unread 05-21-2009, 09:51 PM   #9
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How about one of these?
Carolina Growler
http://growleruv.com/pro_gro.html
They have a few different models and I'm sure are much cheaper than what the marines are using.
That's what this is
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Unread 05-22-2009, 05:34 AM   #10
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Carolina Growler is making them out of original parts. Engine and drivetrain are all original. They basically just slapped a new body on it. I think the M151 A2s are running about $20k though.
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Wouldnt that compromise the strength of it?
I don't know if it necessarily would. There are things you can use on your roll cages to make portions removable.
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Unread 05-22-2009, 12:09 PM   #12
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that Growler is badass. looks like an auto though. can civilians order those beadlocks?
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Wow why doesnt Chrysler just build a badass J8 and sell them to the Gov't for $300,000 ea. They would get out of debt overnight!!
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Unread 07-09-2009, 03:24 PM   #14
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I hope there is some kind of mistake, I hope that dollar amount is for this vehicle...





Air rid suspension lets you drop it down into the weeds and role right onto any aircraft with a ramp, Chinook, V-22, ect. Up to 21 vehicles can be carried in a C-5 Galaxy aircraft or 12 in the C-17 Globemaster with no need to chop down role bars.

http://www.army-technology.com/projects/shadow/
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Unread 07-10-2009, 01:25 AM   #15
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That looks closer to $300,000 but I would still take a J8 over it... and the $250,000
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