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post #1 of 17 Old 06-23-2012, 02:37 PM Thread Starter
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Liberkee rumors

So I'm looking into getting a patriot in the upcoming years so im researching 2014 plans for the model so I can see what whats going on.

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http://www.allpar.com/news/index.php...p-grille-turbo

a rumored "liberkee" (liberty/cherokee, patriot) replacement.

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I see this outline and it scares the crap out of me because I really dig jeep's military heritage, their boxy utilitarian style and rugged go anywhere feeling. this thing looks far too cross over-ee.

P.s. if this is already i thread i apologize, didnt see anything in the search.

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That is just a platform mule. It bears no cosmetic.resemblance to what the next-gen Liberty will look like. Expect it to look similar to the new Grand Cherokee and Compass.

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So I'm looking into getting a patriot in the upcoming years so im researching 2014 plans for the model so I can see what whats going on.

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http://www.allpar.com/news/index.php...p-grille-turbo

a rumored "liberkee" (liberty/cherokee, patriot) replacement.

Thoughts?
I see this outline and it scares the crap out of me because I really dig jeep's military heritage, their boxy utilitarian style and rugged go anywhere feeling. this thing looks far too cross over-ee.

P.s. if this is already i thread i apologize, didnt see anything in the search.

My girlfriend is planning on getting a Patriot soon. Likely by next spring, and she's worried a bit, aswell. She loves the way the Patriot looks and will be really bummed if it ends up looking like a mini-cherokee with all three models getting possibly rolled into one. Personally, I'm still trying to figure out why Jeep abandoned the KJ platform Liberty? To me it looked a little more like a Jeep then any of the other three (KK Liberty, Patriot or Compass) and it sold extremely well.

Go figure.
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Sales of the current Liberty are only OK because of the rebates on it-it's got thousands on the hood.

The problem is that when the Liberty had the Nitro as a platform mate, it was profitable. Chrysler platforms generally need around 100,000 models a year, IIRC, to be profitable. Now that the Nitro is gone and not coming back, the Liberty can't pay for itself any more. The KJ outsold the KK by a pretty wide margin, too.

Jeep is divesting into two semi-seperate lines. On one hand, you'll have the classy-but-rugged vehicles-the Grand Cherokee started this, and the new Liberty will follow, which will likely have more in common with the Compass than the present Liberty, and the Grand Cherokee. On the other hand, you'll have the simpler but more rugged versions-the Wrangler and its upcoming deviations.

If she wants a Patriot, buy one now. It's unlikely that two mini-Jeeps will survive, and the Patriot/Compass replacement will likely be more of a Grand Cherokee lookalike than a Cherokee lookalike. That said, there's a distinct possibility that a spiritual Cherokee successor, in the form of a Wrangler wagon, may follow the Wrangler truck (Going back to the original Jeep lineup of CJ, Wagon and Pickup on one platform, in a way), but that won't show up until 2015 at the very earliest, if it does at all.

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I'm still trying to decide on a vehicle to take the place of my 95' Cherokee as a daily driver. I looked hard at the Patriot, Liberty, and Wrangler. The last 2-3 years have been interesting and frustrating. It's amazing how fast things are changing. The Patriot would be nice for the fuel economy, but they are getting the boot. I want to be able to get replacement parts in 15-20 years so I decided against it. The Liberty is getting the boot also, but enough were sold that there will be a supply of cheap parts for a while. I'd love to own a Wrangler, but I expect the fuel prices to go up significantly over the coming years.

It would be nice if this "Liberkee" got high fuel mileage and had some off road prowess, more so than the Patriot. Hopefully it would come with a classic look. That's something I would certainly buy along with a Wrangler for a second vehicle. I'd buy a Cherokee today, but those aren't coming back and wouldn't be anywhere near their original form.
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I was reading the other recent thread about the new Liberty and it sounds like this vehicle may end up being something like a Patriot/Compass with 4 or 6 cylinder options and maybe somewhere in between the Patriot and Liberty for off road prowess. Is there any truth to this? What are the chances of them being available for 2014?
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Sales of the current Liberty are only OK because of the rebates on it-it's got thousands on the hood.

The problem is that when the Liberty had the Nitro as a platform mate, it was profitable. Chrysler platforms generally need around 100,000 models a year, IIRC, to be profitable. Now that the Nitro is gone and not coming back, the Liberty can't pay for itself any more. The KJ outsold the KK by a pretty wide margin, too.

Jeep is divesting into two semi-seperate lines. On one hand, you'll have the classy-but-rugged vehicles-the Grand Cherokee started this, and the new Liberty will follow, which will likely have more in common with the Compass than the present Liberty, and the Grand Cherokee. On the other hand, you'll have the simpler but more rugged versions-the Wrangler and its upcoming deviations.

If she wants a Patriot, buy one now. It's unlikely that two mini-Jeeps will survive, and the Patriot/Compass replacement will likely be more of a Grand Cherokee lookalike than a Cherokee lookalike. That said, there's a distinct possibility that a spiritual Cherokee successor, in the form of a Wrangler wagon, may follow the Wrangler truck (Going back to the original Jeep lineup of CJ, Wagon and Pickup on one platform, in a way), but that won't show up until 2015 at the very earliest, if it does at all.
Good advice, thanks! It's a shame about the KJ, imo. It really did sell well, and there are plenty of people in our area that drive them, and love them. Some have even lifted them and put offroad lights, and such. I think they look like a great little vehicle and were a great Jeep.

I keep telling her to wait for the rumored Wagoneer, but she loves those Patriots.
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Good advice, thanks! It's a shame about the KJ, imo. It really did sell well, and there are plenty of people in our area that drive them, and love them. Some have even lifted them and put offroad lights, and such. I think they look like a great little vehicle and were a great Jeep.

I keep telling her to wait for the rumored Wagoneer, but she loves those Patriots.
If she's liking the price range of the Patriot, she will be turned off by the price range of the Grand Wagoneer. It'll likely be double what a Patriot goes for.

Parts for the Patriot are plentiful as well. It's got the Compass and Caliber to share parts from. I wouldn't expect any of them to make it 15-20 years, they all use CVTs which are expensive, and are highly electronic infused - and those big electronics pieces are expensive and typically are VIN locked.

Personally, I'm excited that the next Liberty is also going to be the Compass and will be more of a mini-GC than anything. A small V6 in something slightly larger than Compass with a high quality interior is sure to sell hugely. I'd be trying to decide between getting a Liberty Overland or GW Overland for the wife.
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Ive read that Alfa Romeo teamed up to build this prototype.
Jeeps are just not Jeeps anymore
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Not quite. The Liberty is being developed by Jeep engineers using the Dart platform.

An Alfa Romeo version is rumoured, but it will be substantially different, if it happens at all.

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Ive read that Alfa Romeo teamed up to build this prototype.
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The test mules all use the same alfa bodies. that's it.

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If she's liking the price range of the Patriot, she will be turned off by the price range of the Grand Wagoneer. It'll likely be double what a Patriot goes for.
She does like the price of the Patriot, but she is already considering a GC...so I think it'll depend on the price, situation, and wether she likes it. She would get a GC but she really doesn't like the way the new model looks. She likes everything about the Patriot. I don't like putting good money into a vehicle that will have very little resale value. Personally, I don't mind paying good money for something if it's quality. I paid good money for a Chevy HHR and that's the last time I'll ever by another "disposable" vehicle. That's exactly what the Patriot and Compass strike me as. The Dodge Neon of SUVs. I think they are cool little vehicles, but nothing I would ever waste my money on. I'd rather spend the money on the GW and have it to pass down to one of my sons in 6-10 years. jmo, of course.
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The test mules all use the same alfa bodies. that's it.

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The latest allpar.com rendention of the liberkee is probably getting close to accurate. "a mix of a compass/grand cherokee". not sure how different a next generation compass will be if a "Liberkee" looks like the description provided. now if they used to same platform and sold the compass as a street friendly version and a cherokee as a trail rated version that might make sense.
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