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post #1 of 31 Old 05-02-2011, 12:54 PM Thread Starter
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A replacement for the Cherokee medium SUV, called the Liberty in the United States, that will go into production in the United States in early 2013 and will be exported to Europe by spring 2013. The SUV will use a 170-hp, 2.0-liter four-cylinder gasoline engine.
http://www.autonews.com/apps/pbcs.dl...#ixzz1LCOUDEQK

Seems like the Cherokee name could return to North America too. It will be sad to see the Cherokee name on something like this. It needs at least a small Pentastar V6 instead of a 2.0 4 cylinder.


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post #2 of 31 Old 05-02-2011, 04:58 PM
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will be interesting to see what they come up with


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Jeep's first small SUV, a Fiat-based "baby" Wrangler that may be built in Toluca, Mexico, for sale in Europe, North America and Latin America starting in late 2013 or early 2014.

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will be interesting to see what they come up with


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And the Patriot/Compass replacement gets built in Italy. America is really going to go for Jeeps made in Mexico and Italy.
I guess I ought to change that. Jeep fans are really going to go for foreign made Jeeps.

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Car based? Damnit...

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Car based? Damnit...
Every Jeep after the SJ Wagoneers/Gladiators save the CJ/Wrangler has been 'car-based'. Your XJ is 'car-based'.

All 'car-based' means is unibody.

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The XJ is actually car based 100% its plate form came from the AMC Eagle's IIRC it was the wagon's chassie . . . The SX/4 has D30 IFS front end not sure about the Wagons . . .

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All 'car-based' means is unibody.
By that flawed logic every body on frame car is "truck-based".

I would describe it as any CUV or SUV that had a passenger cars platform as the starting point of its design.

By that definition only the Patriot and Compass could be considered car based as they were designed alongside the Dodge Caliber.

There were never any passenger car versions of the XJ, ZJ, WJ or WK.

But the new Liberty (rumor is the Cherokee name will be used here too), the Patriot/Compass replacement and the new B sized Jeep will be car based as they use a Fiat passenger car platform as a starting point.

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By that flawed logic every body on frame car is "truck-based".
You're right, and also missing the point completely.

The Cherokee is no more a car than the Patriot is, and my Wrangler or my old Crown Victoria aren't trucks by any estimation.

The point is that unibody is not an automatic curse. Plus, there was a car of the Cherokee in a sense-it shares as much with the old AMC Eagle, which itself was a stretched Gremlin with a CJ transfer case as the Patriot does with the Caliber.

A platform is nothing more than a set of dimensions. You don't have to share a single part between them. The Ford Explorer and Taurus share a platform, yet the Explorer is still a fairly capable vehicle off-road-it's no Grand Cherokee, but it's easily the equivalent of the Durango, despite being 'car-based'.

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A platform is nothing more than a set of dimensions. You don't have to share a single part between them.
The worry is that Fiat parts will be used by Jeep.

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The Fiat Panda is 100% car though. It has zero truck characteristics.

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at least they mention only ONE SUV to replace the patriot and compass, that will at least lower the number of cars that "Jeep" will be producing. Jeep is in quotes due to the obvious outsourcing that Chrysler is doing by building them outside this country
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The XJ is actually car based 100% its plate form came from the AMC Eagle's IIRC it was the wagon's chassie . . .
The XJ Cherokee was a brand new vehicle designed by Jeep and Renault to be an SUV from the start. It was one of the first Computer Aided Design (CAD) vehicles and was the first Jeep with a ladder-boxed chassis integrated into a single monocoque unit body (unibody) rather than the traditional separate body-on-frame construction. It shared next to nothing with the AMC Eagle besides an updated version of the in-line six cylinder Jeep 4.0L 242 CI I6 RENIX FI motor starting in 1987, and a leaf spring mounted D35 solid axle.

The XJ does have a "frame", but it is Unibody construction. It has solid front and rear axles and a high/low shift on the fly transfer case.

Early AMC 1980's Eagles were full-time, all-wheel drive cars. A few years later a switchable 2wd/4wd system was introduced, but shifting between those modes required the Eagle to be fully stopped and it had no low range. "Shift-on-the-Fly" capability was added to the Select Drive 4-wheel-drive system as standard equipment in 1985.

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An anonymous source told us that the next-generation Jeep Liberty will move far upscale of the current model
http://www.allpar.com/news/index.php...o-move-upscale

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I wonder if that means they sprung for as much as there already paying for halfshalfs when they move production down to mexico like there so rumored to be moving production down to,maybe that means driving on a dirt road might not void the warranty on the drivetrain,lmfao
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