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Unread 05-27-2012, 10:11 AM   #16
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For that kind on money I think I'd be looking at the AEV Brute. They are a proven conversion, and quite stylish I think. Jeep just dosen't seem to want to get it together to start building the Gladiator again. What a mistake!
If I'm not mistaken the dealer conversion is an AEV.

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Unread 05-27-2012, 03:57 PM   #17
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You are.

Here's a picture guide to Jeep truck conversions as of late.

The dealer conversion in the original pic of the Mopar JK-8 Independence conversion kit:



River Raider makes a very similar kit-it actually showed up before the Mopar kit, and has a very similar top, but the two aren't related and the River Raider is only available as a shop conversion, whereas the Mopar kit can be ordered as a DIY bolt-on:



AEV makes two versions of the Brute-the 2-door TJ Brute and the 4-door JK Unlimited Brute:

TJ Brute:



JK Brute:



AEV was also in talks to import and sell Jeep J8s in North America, but that fell through.
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Unread 05-27-2012, 06:32 PM   #18
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While I love the Mopar version that think this is a cool, but definitely overpriced option. I gotta hand it to River Raider. Even if that thing wasn't lifted and had the stock Rubi rims and BFG Mud-terrains it would look the best. That is sharp.
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Unread 05-28-2012, 12:57 AM   #19
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I understand why they did it, but I wish they'd shortened the cab to the dimensions of the J-7 and J8 Sarge concepts.
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Unread 05-28-2012, 07:09 AM   #20
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I understand why they did it, but I wish they'd shortened the cab to the dimensions of the J-7 and J8 Sarge concepts.
Agreed. The larger cab would be fine if these were actual pickups and used a JKU frame with a cab tub and an actual bed to give the vehicle more cargo room. The fact that these are built off the JK tub and have the larger cab gives them little practical application as a pick-up. A shame really. It's a really slick looking kit, and if I had the cash to blow on another vehicle I would definitely be interested.
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Unread 05-28-2012, 09:07 PM   #21
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Just looked it up, $5500 for the kit, most of these are being built on Sport models, so we'll say $30,000 for the Jeep, so $20,000 for install, paint and bedliner? that seems pretty steep to me, but maybe that is just my blue collar background talking.
I agree with you, I think the new regular Wranglers are overpriced, but you know it's that whole supply and demand thing. Perhaps you could save on the total cost by doing something like this on a used Wrangler? Let's say finding one for about 12-13K.
On the plus-side the kit does look awesome, hope its made well too.
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Unread 05-29-2012, 12:30 AM   #22
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Actually, adjusted for inflation, the Wrangler is the same price as ever. I crunched the numbers a few months back. An early-2000s Sahara had the same MSRP as a brand new one adjusted for inflation. (Rounded, the new one was actually slightly, albeit not statistically significant, cheaper-and waaaaaay better equipped than an old one)
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Unread 05-29-2012, 06:16 AM   #23
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Actually, adjusted for inflation, the Wrangler is the same price as ever. I crunched the numbers a few months back. An early-2000s Sahara had the same MSRP as a brand new one adjusted for inflation. (Rounded, the new one was actually slightly, albeit not statistically significant, cheaper-and waaaaaay better equipped than an old one)
I will say that while I don't find 20k cheap by any stretch of the imagination. My 12 Sport is a heck of a lot of vehicle for that money now days. (Granted it was a sale and it's sticker price was 24k) Still, is there even another auto brand that offers a capable 4x4 that can actually handle some off road use in that ballpark? Most of the lower end crossovers while they may be equipped with 4x4 or AWD aren't really suitable for use off road or even in the more extreme road conditions. It's ridiculous that prices are what they are because of the monetary system, but the fact that a Wrangler is a very capable vehicle for the price of a mid-size sedan from another manufacturer is a good thing, imo.

Honestly, in their price range now that the Ranger has been put on hiatus I think Jeep would be remiss to not visit what made the original Willys pick up so successful and go the next step with this JK8 dalliance. They could easily put out a REAL small pick up based off the JK platform the way the old pick ups used much of the CJs skeleton.

An actual pick up (cab and box) on a JKU frame I think would sell very well if, unlike with this kit, they kept the price directly inline with it's Wrangler counterpart. Keep the dash and interior options and material the same. Use the same frame, same trim levels, same basically everything. Use the JK's front end styling and just make a cab tub out of it. Then design a retro looking box that bolts onto the back.

Seems like a moneymaker with the Ranger gone. Especially considering that the Asian trucks, even the small ones, have been rising in price steadily. The newly designed Ranger is likely to cost quite a bit for the first couple of years until the "new" factor fades and they lower the price. Killing the resale value of all the people who just "had to have it".

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Unread 05-29-2012, 08:47 AM   #24
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You are.

Here's a picture guide to Jeep truck conversions as of late.

The dealer conversion in the original pic of the Mopar JK-8 Independence conversion kit:

River Raider makes a very similar kit-it actually showed up before the Mopar kit, and has a very similar top, but the two aren't related and the River Raider is only available as a shop conversion, whereas the Mopar kit can be ordered as a DIY bolt-on:

AEV makes two versions of the Brute-the 2-door TJ Brute and the 4-door JK Unlimited Brute:

TJ Brute:

JK Brute:

AEV was also in talks to import and sell Jeep J8s in North America, but that fell through.
Stand corrected.
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I will say that while I don't find 20k cheap by any stretch of the imagination. My 12 Sport is a heck of a lot of vehicle for that money now days. (Granted it was a sale and it's sticker price was 24k) Still, is there even another auto brand that offers a capable 4x4 that can actually handle some off road use in that ballpark? Most of the lower end crossovers while they may be equipped with 4x4 or AWD aren't really suitable for use off road or even in the more extreme road conditions. It's ridiculous that prices are what they are because of the monetary system, but the fact that a Wrangler is a very capable vehicle for the price of a mid-size sedan from another manufacturer is a good thing, imo.

Honestly, in their price range now that the Ranger has been put on hiatus I think Jeep would be remiss to not visit what made the original Willys pick up so successful and go the next step with this JK8 dalliance. They could easily put out a REAL small pick up based off the JK platform the way the old pick ups used much of the CJs skeleton.

An actual pick up (cab and box) on a JKU frame I think would sell very well if, unlike with this kit, they kept the price directly inline with it's Wrangler counterpart. Keep the dash and interior options and material the same. Use the same frame, same trim levels, same basically everything. Use the JK's front end styling and just make a cab tub out of it. Then design a retro looking box that bolts onto the back.

Seems like a moneymaker with the Ranger gone. Especially considering that the Asian trucks, even the small ones, have been rising in price steadily. The newly designed Ranger is likely to cost quite a bit for the first couple of years until the "new" factor fades and they lower the price. Killing the resale value of all the people who just "had to have it".

Jmo, of course.
From what I understand Mopar / Jeep only expected to sell like 500 or so of the J8 kits and the sold closer to 1500. So there is obviously a demand for a real Jeep pickup. I agree that if Jeep builds a real pickup it will sell.

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Unread 05-30-2012, 11:28 PM   #26
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A Jeep pickup has been all but confirmed. The only reasons that there aren't one today is the fact that the Toledo assembly plant is full, completely, absolutely, making-every-Wrangler-physically-possible, full, and the fact that Chrysler's engineers have a lot of more important work-there are several platforms and vehicles in far more urgent need of engineering manpower.

Hold your breath and save your pennies, and you are practically assured to have the option to buy a Jeep pickup of some variety. In the meantime, the Ram Power Wagon is a hell of a truck-you can get the ST version for about $44,000 and that includes a 12,000 pound winch, 33"s and electronic lockers.

(The Ram Power Wagon is the reason that there will never be a full-size Jeep truck, because it's everything anybody's ever asked for in one)
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Actually, adjusted for inflation, the Wrangler is the same price as ever. I crunched the numbers a few months back. An early-2000s Sahara had the same MSRP as a brand new one adjusted for inflation. (Rounded, the new one was actually slightly, albeit not statistically significant, cheaper-and waaaaaay better equipped than an old one)
Unfortunately a lot of peoples wages haven't kept up with inflation over the years so the cost is hard to bare for folks these days.

Edit: Just read an article that gave some numbers from the 2010 census that back up what I was saying. I didn't realize things were this bad. The numbers are based on the median family wealth and income. Net worth is now at the same level as the early 90's so folks on average lost everything they gained in the last two decades. Median net worth for a family is $77,300. Also income fell 7.7% since the early 90's. This is the article I read.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/family-net-worth-drops-level-185603451.html
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That's fair. Still, the average transaction price for a new vehicle in the USA today is $30,000, which is about the price of an average Sahara.

I think it's less that Jeeps are too expensive and more that everything else has gotten cheaper. When you compare a Wrangler against most pickups or SUVs, they're, adjusted for inflation, cheaper now than they were decades ago. Wranglers have stayed the same price, but you get a lot more for that money now.
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Unread 06-02-2012, 01:46 PM   #29
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there is one at my local dealer for 30,000
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it would be cooler as a 4 door with a 4 foot box kinda like an explorer sport trac
it's really sad when in the jeep community, someone says it would be cooler with 4 doors
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