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Unread 10-11-2007, 06:07 PM   #1
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It is us, the Jeep enthusiasts who made the 97 and up TJs what they are. Remember the phrase "Real Jeeps have round headlights" there was also some others who said "Track bars OR leaf springs NOT both! ". Well they listened, at least back then.
Then in 02 they kind of got lost some and we got the liberty.
Good bye XJ cherokee So sad.
Then in 05 they lost sight some more with the bloating and butchering of the Grand Cherokee.
Goodbye low end Torque(I6) :hello sewing machine motor(V6)
Goodbye Dana 30 Straight axle: hello IFS
Goodbye reasonable size, weight and MPG: ("Wide trail rated" badge needed)

Now for the 07 Wrangler. Good new first Staight axle still there, and the top still comes off. Thats it.
Four doors on the unlimited are nice for those want and need them.
It has gained weight and size. bad for tight trails ("Wide trail rated" badge needed) Look at the dimensions of a 4dr wrangler and a WJ. Track, width, and wheelbase. no surprise to me.
Fenders pop off easy on trees New clips are usally all thats required. Not good or bad.
Goodbye low end Torque(I6) :hello sewing machine motor(V6)
There is no way a engine that has it power 1k rpm higher can last as long as one that has its power at a lower rpm. At least not the way I drive.

I think I have bought the newest jeep vehicle I will ever buy if some things don't change.

Here is what I think they could do.

Start by building Two different Wranglers They could sell the wranglers they sell now and sell a "Wrangler Classic" as in a new TJ.
Of course there are some things that cannot be done again so the 4.0L inline engine can't be used because of emissions and Crash standards reasons. But I could gladly live with a 4.0 V6 if it just came in a vehicle no bigger than the TJ I have now. ( A V6 would have a better front to rear weight bias anyway)
90% of design and tooling cost are already paid for, so I'd think It would be a no brainer.
To make it more profitable a nitche vehicle such as this they would of course have to limit options like: colors 3 or less, soft top only, No cruise control, no carpet.... stuff like that.
I think that would sell.

anyone agree with me?

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Unread 10-12-2007, 01:09 AM   #2
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i would buy one. they would also be cheaper because less opitions=cheaper. always a plus for some one with less money.
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Unread 10-12-2007, 08:46 AM   #3
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Current and upcoming crash standards are why the JK is what it is. That width and weight are there for a purpose. Pedestrian impact standards are why the front fenders and bumper are plastic. The TJ never would pass the upcoming standards, that is why it has been replaced. Instead of griping at what the engineers had to change due to government regulations be glad that they worked hard to keep it a capable off road vehicle.

Now if you want to gripe that the government creates too many regulations I'll hop up on my soap box and join you.
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Unread 10-12-2007, 05:17 PM   #4
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It does not make economic sense to produce two wranglers that are that similar. Basically, the Wrangler Classic would just be taking market share from the new wrangler. Although wrangler sales are basically good, I don't think that they would support two lines. Althouh it may not seem like it to us, a jeep wrangler is a niche market vehicle. That is why there are so many 1-2 yr old jeeps for sale. They are not for everybody, a lot of people buy them and soon grow tired of the unique qualities of the jeep, then sell them off or trade them in on a durango. I like this, as it provides many quality near new jeeps on the market for tightwads like me to pick up at a decent price.
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Unread 10-13-2007, 06:32 AM   #5
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It does not make economic sense to produce two wranglers that are that similar. Basically, the Wrangler Classic would just be taking market share from the new wrangler. Although wrangler sales are basically good, I don't think that they would support two lines.
Two lines would be easy really, and of course some sales of a classic wrangler would cut into the regular wrangler share but there would be more sales total and if the company could hold the line on option and choices there would be a higher profit per vehicle.
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Unread 10-13-2007, 01:13 PM   #6
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Unread 11-20-2007, 08:10 PM   #7
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I need to buy another TJ soon, before they have all been molested by idiots or rusted away. Keep one really nice, and another incase I total one.
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Unread 12-02-2007, 11:43 PM   #8
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You ain't lying about that.
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Unread 05-24-2008, 03:57 PM   #9
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WOW I never knew there were people that loved the TJ as much as I do.
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Unread 11-14-2008, 06:09 AM   #10
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Unread 01-29-2009, 09:13 AM   #11
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This is a good idea.
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Unread 02-06-2009, 09:26 AM   #12
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well keep in mind, that $6000 used stock TJ you can by, as long as the body hasnt rusted away or been ripped apart would be worth a whole lot more a few years from now when someone wants to build a trail jeep but cant stand the new JKs
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Unread 03-15-2014, 08:40 AM   #13
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well keep in mind, that $6000 used stock TJ you can by, as long as the body hasnt rusted away or been ripped apart would be worth a whole lot more a few years from now when someone wants to build a trail jeep but cant stand the new JKs
X2 on that for sure.

and a bump for a thread that fit the times
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Unread 03-16-2014, 03:03 PM   #15
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Yup, I agree. Its the government thats pushing the auto manufactures to build these light weight, fuel efficient automobiles. That is the reason why Chrysler is going with IFS instead of solid axles on the jeeps. Solid axles are the best (just my opinion). I'm an Grand Cherokee nut (ZJ's & WJ's only). Those two models would rip through anything. The new Grands today (WK & WK2) are junk. They will never come close to the ZJ's or the WJ's when it comes to off road capabilities. I own an 02-WJ with an HO-I6. I built her up to the way she looks today. I'll never give her up for a new WK or WK2. You'll never see an jeep built like an XJ, ZJ or WJ ever again. I hate to say it but those days are gone for good.
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