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Unread 08-17-2012, 08:33 PM   #61
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have to admit i'm somewhat intrigued...

but a JEEP made in China just seems wrong to me, and the headlights and tail lights on that thing are UGLY

looks too much like a grand cherokee, if they are going to change it, maybe try the classic round wrangler style

i do like the sexy girl in the cowboy hat though

I wanna know what kind of roof rack that is.

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Unread 08-19-2012, 06:30 PM   #62
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Ive seen pics of the new cherokee, honestley I hate the design, because it looks too much like a crossover. I would hope chrysler bases the design on the original xj, because you can put those trucks through pure hell and it would still keep goin.
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Unread 08-19-2012, 08:23 PM   #63
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No, you haven't. You've seen the platform mule wearing Alfa Romeo Guiletta bodywork, possibly one of the versions with the early versions of the Jeep grille. But, as of yet, no pictures of the next-gen Liberty have made it to the public.
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Unread 08-20-2012, 05:53 PM   #64
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When are pics of the new cherokee/liberty supposed to come out.
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Unread 08-20-2012, 06:49 PM   #65
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Honestly, nobody knows. Toledo North just went down for retooling 4 days ago to build the damn thing and nobody's ever seen the final design in the wild. New Chrysler plays things very, very close to the chest, we didn't see the production Dart until after the factory was being retooled too.

I'd expect to see something close to the final design by mid or late September.
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Unread 08-21-2012, 12:19 PM   #66
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I cant wait to see it.
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Unread 08-21-2012, 09:26 PM   #67
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Whatever it looks like it won't be an XJ, maybe a crossover wannabe with independent suspension, awd and a 4 cylinder fiat sourced engine.
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Unread 08-22-2012, 09:37 AM   #68
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Thats what is going to kill it. I really would like it be based off the original xj, cause personally I hate crossover vehicles.
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Unread 08-23-2012, 08:03 AM   #69
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Thats what is going to kill it. I really would like it be based off the original xj, cause personally I hate crossover vehicles.
An interesting thing happened a couple of decades ago. All the other manufacturer's realized they couldn't compete with Jeep in off road ability. So they softened their vehicles to chase after all the wannabe drivers. Now Jeep has decided to try to compete with the other manufacturer's by building softer vehicles.

So all we have left is the Wrangler but not everyone that liked the metal roof XJ, ZJ and WJ with solid axles want to accept a removable top in order to get solid axles.

Jeep has thrown away an entire segment to chase after wannabe drivers.

I admit that I don't off road much. I spend most of my miles on pavement. But I love the driving characteristics and handling of my XJ and I do not want some car based front wheel drive CUV.

We need a unibody, solid axle, metal roof Jeep. With a diesel would be great. It would increase mpg while still giving us what we want in a Jeep. Low end torque.
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Unread 08-23-2012, 04:07 PM   #70
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Thats what is going to kill it. I really would like it be based off the original xj, cause personally I hate crossover vehicles.
To be honest, the Liberty replacement isn't for us. It's for American RAV4 owners and the European market.

It will probably quickly become one of Chrysler's best-selling products, because, for 99% of the driving public, it will be a fantastic vehicle. And it'll be the best off-roader in its class.

It just won't be a Cherokee.

Although, out of curiosity, aside from the size, what's wrong with a Wrangler Unlimited as a Cherokee substitute? A new Wrangler rides and sounds better than an older XJ, and has the same utility. It's bigger, but so is everything else (A Patriot is almost exactly the same size as an XJ)
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Unread 08-23-2012, 04:38 PM   #71
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It seems to me that making a unibody which rides on JK underpinnings shouldn't be a particulaly huge challenge for Chrysler. Why on earth wouldn't they want to reuse parts already in their catalog? It could even slide down the same assembly line... they could make SWB and LWB versions on the same axles, same drivetrain, same driveSHAFTS, same everything.

So it would probably weigh a bit less and have a better aerodynamic profile than the equivalent JK, offer slightly sportier handling, better highway manners, more "long way to the trail" pleasure, and better fuel efficiency because of that - probably a little quieter too. Allowing the rear seats to fold down (ideally like in a 2door s10 blazer) because of the unibody would mean a long, flat and very useful load bed.. a lower step-in height because of the unibody would mean more accessibility for less-abled people (that means the friends and family who ride with you, too, if you happen to be fully-abled).

I really wanted to like the Patriot, it has a good appearance and is around the right size, but the two things that kill it for me are it's just not quite stout enough underneath and the interior really needs a FLAT LONG load deck. This is a vehicle that comes with something like 6" of suspension travel per corner and 27.5" tires, and really needs to move 12" per corner (even if most of that is droop) and wear 31" tires right from the factory.

I don't hate independent suspension, if it's flexible - but to me it is necessary to keep wheels in contact with the ground even when you've got an excellent traction control system like QD2, because a vehicle can develop quite a lot of axial momentum when rocking from three wheels to three wheels - that's scary and dangerous! If the wheels stay in contact with the ground the vehicle can shift weight under control by the shocks, rather than rocking like a teeter-totter - MUCH safer and MUCH less fatiguing on long dirt roads too!
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Unread 08-23-2012, 04:51 PM   #72
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haha "jeeps going luxury"... sounds a lot like when the "yuppie jeep" YJ first came out.
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Unread 08-23-2012, 05:14 PM   #73
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It seems to me that making a unibody which rides on JK underpinnings shouldn't be a particulaly huge challenge for Chrysler.
Developing an entirely new platform actually costs hundreds of millions, and that's even with sharing common parts. Developing something entirely unique can reach the billion dollar mark.

If a new Cherokee-type vehicle comes around, it's unlikely that it'll have both a unitbody and live axles. And, with the Grand Cherokee and Liberty around as IFS/IRS, unitbody vehicles, a Wrangler-based version is more plausible.

It's actually not entirely unlikely, either. They've mentioned they want to build more vehicles on the Wrangler platform, so that may lead to a steel-roofed Wrangler variant.
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Unread 08-23-2012, 06:51 PM   #74
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Developing an entirely new platform actually costs hundreds of millions, and that's even with sharing common parts. Developing something entirely unique can reach the billion dollar mark.

If a new Cherokee-type vehicle comes around, it's unlikely that it'll have both a unitbody and live axles. And, with the Grand Cherokee and Liberty around as IFS/IRS, unitbody vehicles, a Wrangler-based version is more plausible.

It's actually not entirely unlikely, either. They've mentioned they want to build more vehicles on the Wrangler platform, so that may lead to a steel-roofed Wrangler variant.
Sure, developing a new platform costs a lot. They were going to develop some new platform anyway.

The argument I'm making is that pickup trucks are built on a formula because it works and it sells. Wranglers are built on a formula because it works and it sells. Harleys are built on a for.. you get what I'm going for here - I don't even like XJ's a whole lot and have never owned one or even considered buying one, but it's obvious their formula was successful and it's pretty obvious what that formula was: a low profile and compact wagon body that works as hard as a wrangler but drives more nimbly, has more room, and looks less like the ghost of wars past. I know the 4 door JK was intended to fill that, and a lot of yesterday's XJ buyers shrugged and bought it, but this thread proves it didn't exactly hit the mark. I've had my butt in its share of 4dr JK's and XJ's... and other than the obvious 'newness' it's not a replacement at all.

I'm not one for nostalgia, I don't fear electronics nor do I care if I can get a manual transmission - or even solid axles - Put WK2 independent suspension with QD2 diffs, a Pentastar V6 and a real transfer case under a Patriot with 31 inches of tire and you've got a worthy XJ replacement. The point is the XJ worked well because it was a nimble cocoon sitting on a stout set of underpinnings. The JKU isn't that and the Liberty isn't that and the Patriot isn't that.
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Unread 08-23-2012, 09:00 PM   #75
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I still see quite a few XJ's on the road, driven by men and women. I agree they are a good compromise between the Wrangler and the street machines. It's a great vehicle to load up with gear, drive hundreds of miles and then take it off road through rutted forest roads and deep snow. Still not all that tall so you can load stuff on the roof rack with no problems.

Unfortunately I'm not a fan of the Wranglers removable top.(And why the heck does the Sport only come with a black interior, worst idea ever, does anyone like a black interior?) Even though I have my panties in the bunch I still admire the off road prowess of the Wrangler. Truthfully more capability than what I need.

Looked hard at the Patriot as a replacement due to the fuel economy. Wish it had more ground clearance. After having an XJ the Patriots window visibility was lacking all around(just like many of the new crossovers). Cargo capacity was less than the XJ. Don't want a front wheel drive either. And not as ergonomic as my XJ.

I guess that leaves the Liberty. Actually an old Liberty, because they are changing that also. Most likely will end up with a KJ or a 2008 KK(manual tranny). It's about the closest thing out there to an XJ. At least the ladies like them. I've been checking them out for years, Liberties that is, and 95% of them are driven by women. So I guess it will be me and the ladies. My friend, after 2 years with a Lib, still wishes she had her XJ.

Long story short, Jeepers definitely need new XJ.
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