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Unread 03-18-2011, 09:24 PM   #16
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yea. i know whatcha mean. but my yj is kinda annoying cause it's old and i just got it a few months ago and haven't quite worked all the bugs out so i'm dealing with gas and repairs at the same time. but as for a simple reliable vehicle i'm looking forward to the commando if it goes into production. it's said to go back to being real simple like older jeeps without all the luxuries. however...i also heard it would cost more than the grand cherokee. but i would rather see the return of the cherokee than the commando IMO.

Meh. I'm not a fan of that new look, not at all.


I've always been a fan of the Jeepster style.

With the XJ, I've always liked the look and performance. I was fairly close to getting one until we found a great deal with my KJ. I LOVE my KJ and no Jeep could replace it, for me.

But as many have said, people are more concerned with the gas mileage and luxury now. Not a ton of people, besides us, are into a bare-bones vehicle. That is, unless they cannot afford a 2X+ vehicle. Jeep wants more money, so they will cater to the masses.

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Unread 03-23-2011, 01:07 AM   #17
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Given the "Wagoneer" is going to be a durango with grand cherokee grill, Why don't they use the above posted "Commando" platform for the new "Wagoneer" as the waggy was a huge brick block solidly built brute with AMC V8 power ! ! !

So make that above rig the Waggy with a 4 - 6L I6 Diesel and 5 -7L V8 Gas for power plants

Any body buying that brick ain't looking for 30-40mpg's So a 15mpg Gasser or 25mpg Diesel would be just fine

Big truck/big torque - Smash n crash tough, Jeep need something you'll buy n willingly get dirty bounce off trees and slam into rocks and not care ! An air ride leather interior'd GPS electro Gizzmo'D Rig is NOT what jeeps about ! ! !

Oh n where's our pickup Jeep ! ! !
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Unread 03-23-2011, 07:24 AM   #18
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ill just keep the 78 jeep truck. i spend so little to maintain it. everything is simple and easy to figure out myself. the 2000 cherokee is a little harder when electronic windows act up but still way easier than some of these new vehicles like my wifes honda. that thing gets good mileage but lately the dash lights and sensors have been freaking out. I CANT figure it out. but when the headlights in my truck went out had em fixed in less than a day. AND i actually feel safe in it
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Unread 03-23-2011, 10:38 AM   #19
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Yup real Trucks say "Jeep" on the tailgate and real Jeeps have AMC part #'s
Tho my opinion could be a bit BIAS

But anywho, I feel the above posted white Jeep would make a fine Waggy
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Unread 03-23-2011, 05:21 PM   #20
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and real Jeeps have AMC part #'s
So the Willys MB that won WW2 isn't a "real Jeep" by your definition. Interesting. No Jeep between 1941 and 1971 fits that definitely actually. Thirty years of "not-real" Jeeps.
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Unread 03-23-2011, 05:30 PM   #21
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Actually 41'-69' Willis/Kaiser/Ford, AMC 70'-88', CryCo 89'-present ;-)

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Unread 03-23-2011, 06:03 PM   #22
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AMC purchased Jeep in 1970, but made no vehicle changes for the 71 model year, thus 71 Jeeps still have Kaiser part numbers.

Ford never owned Jeep, and Willys is spelled with a y. Chrysler bought Jeep in 1987. So you pretty much got all of that wrong. You still didn't answer whether 1941-1971 Jeeps are "real Jeeps" though.
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Unread 03-23-2011, 06:20 PM   #23
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Willys with a "Y" semantics, as for the Willys/Kaiser/Ford production No I don't like them at ALL so in my opinion No ! ! ! Tin cans on wagon wheels

Tho Ford never "owned" Jeep they "produced" Jeeps, So did other company's like Mitsubishi and Mahindra . . .

AMC built Jeeps into the 88' Model year, Also just some FYI Renault put their share uip for sale Mar 87' and then sold their 49% of AMC to chrysler August 87' the other 51% of AMC merged with Chrysler to get the Jeep brand.

Hence the introduction of the Jeep/Eagle Division, American Motors had so many over sea's contracts signed Chrysler renamed American Motors Corp. the Eagle corp. to run out the contracts, AMC Car warranty's, and employment obligations ofr the merger . . .

So one could argue "AMC" was around til the 98' Model year just under a different name and AM-Jeep lived til 92' Model year given your logic sir as their was no alterations to as well as no new Jeep models til 93' with the introduction of the grand cherokee which was of AMC design even !

Look it up ! Its all there black n white ! ! Clear as chrystal ! ! !
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Unread 03-23-2011, 08:29 PM   #24
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I'm not wasting any more time arguing with someone who thinks the first 30 years of Jeep vehicles are "tin cans on wagon wheels."
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Unread 03-23-2011, 08:45 PM   #25
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I quiet frankly don't give a damn, weather you want to "Argue" or not. Chrysler's history section has a list of discontinued brand they list AMC as 54'-88' they also list Eagle as 88'-98' noting it was AMC renamed for above mentioned reasons.

Me myself I am an AMCer NOT a jeeper So there for any Jeep before 1970 or after 1988 is of NO interest to me simply put END O STORY ! ! !

Given the XJ is an American Motors Jeep model I popped in . . . You chose to start an argument over a simple statement "real Trucks say "Jeep" on the tailgate and real Jeeps have AMC part #'s" ! ! !

Have nice day
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Unread 08-09-2011, 12:30 AM   #26
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Jeep needs a back to the basics, bare bones, and overbuilt machine with a powerplant that gives excellent power and makes highway driving a breeze. Take basic truck axles and bolt them up under the machine.. Not because solid axles provide better ground clearance and overall better performance off-road where flex is needed -thats an added bonus- but because there are less moving parts. Less moving parts means there are less components that will wear out and less trips to the dealer and/or Autozone/Pepboys/Advanced Auto (Etc.) Give that machine a radio, crank windows, and a hard top. No fancy GPS or other shenanigans. This time around though, we could use a cupholder or two. . But seriously, less electrical components = less hardware to fail which means no trips to the dealer for them to fix your recalled heated seats or troublesome "blend door" A/C heat controller.. Less trips to the dealer = better product = happier consumer.

Additionally, people these days are more concerned with "how many MPGs does it get?" instead of "will it leave me stranded in the middle of nowhere?" Sure, no one wants to deal with high gas prices, but this is one area where I don't wish to compromise. I would much rather have a vehicle that gets 2mpg all day long but gives me zero troubles vs a vehicle that gets 50mpg and has 'sudden acceleration' or faulty airbags or frames that crack in half.. ..........
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X2 Well said!

Next to the Wrangler, the XJ is the most recognizable and dare I say iconic platform in Jeep history. It was a mistake to end it. It was still popular, it still sold well and it was about the best performing compact SUV of its day.

But there is a lot to be said for that idea - Jeep should offer a simple, strong, reliable and very customizable, bare bones, XJ-based small SUV.. An XJII

A platform with a simple, self contained engine management system (as low tech as possible), one that is not so dam finnicky. Add a heater, AC and a stereo ... and to hell with the power windows, power seats and all the other little electronic frills.

Perhaps just low cost, simple interior appointments such as a vinyl or rubberized headliner and floor covering and, perhaps, seats - not afraid of dirt or stains and easy to clean. And YES - crank windows. They're light weight, low-tech and they open and close even if the power fails. Surely they can make a low-tech, low cost , durable and reliable platform that meets todays standards.. and make it profitable... Another interesting aspect to this is that it's not just jeepers or the off-road community that this idea has been bandied about, the hotrod community has also floated this same notion.


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Unread 08-09-2011, 06:48 AM   #27
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unfortunately if they do build a xjII it will have quadratrac 8, power cupholders, auto dimming this and that and a bunch of other crap that adds cost as well as maintenance. they know what we want but they (as the government does) will do as they please
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Unread 08-09-2011, 01:17 PM   #28
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I walked through the Jeep lots last night, 12' Wranglers were $38K, 12' Grand Cherokees where $45K . . . So I'm NOT sure about you but I don't think I'd spend $40K for an XJ of any kind

From the prices I saw a Quad cab RAM-Diesel was a way better buy

Not that I would but if I would buy a RAM4500 Reg cab 4wd 7ft flatbed over the wrangler way better buy, Twice the truck for the same cost . . . Maybe if I were a "Family guy" I'd get the RAM5500 quad cab shorty flat rack rig over the G/C

I did a quit figured $38K + $5.5K + $3.5K = JK-8 kit truck $47K, I can get a RAM-4500 shorty out the door with flat rack for $42K . . . WTF ? ! ? ! ?

Don't know about you, But I'd buy the RAM4500
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Unread 08-09-2011, 09:15 PM   #29
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unfortunately the good old days are actually that- the good old days. what we value is what the auto industry is not producing. they produce what the masses want- luxury and ease
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Unread 08-09-2011, 09:29 PM   #30
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unfortunately the good old days are actually that- the good old days. what we value is what the auto industry is not producing. they produce what the masses want- luxury and ease
But lucky for us, the "good old days" produced quite the number of vehicles. With us being more knowledgeable about what goes into a vehicles than the "mass consumers", we can buy an older vehicle and restore it if the budget permits.
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