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Unread 07-06-2011, 05:01 PM   #31
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I don't know, Every buddy seems to be going 4dr on everything
I was simply pointing out the JK-8 could become a factory model by simply replacing the 2dr with it

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Do as they did with the MJ's hualt XJ production, so why NOT hault 2dr JK's make a batch of truck's
They cranked out 45K MJ's this way, How many JK-8's they plan on building

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Unread 07-08-2011, 04:13 PM   #32
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Take a good look. The 2-door is still a hot seller partially because outside of the Toyota FJ its the only 2-dr SUV you can buy. And as I said before, its iconic. Without the 2-door 'classic' Jeep, then there wouldnt be any Jeeps. If you look further than that, 'real', truck-based SUVs are disappearing fast in favor of crossover CUVs but that doesnt mean theres not still a market for them. It just means that there will be a small core of the real ones for those who want/need them but most choices will be aimed at soccer moms and yuppies which will be the CUVs. Jeep needs to do a little expansion in its ability to produce the Wrangler, but personally Id reel back production of the other stuff since the other models just kind of blend in with everything else. The Wrangler is the heart and soul of Jeep and its always going to be what pops in peoples' minds whenever then see or hear the word Jeep. The very success of the 4-door model is a direct result of people WANTING the 2-door model but it not being practical enough for many buyers. That same person wouldnt settle for an Explorer or some such CUV.

The MJ's demise is for the same reason that Jeep hasnt had a pickup do really great: Lack of marketing/advertising, and while all have been fantastic vehicles which sold very well when introduced, they also have one major flaw which is that the full potential was never fully realized with any of them. Theyve all been a half baked effort at trying something new but they left a LOT of money on the table by not offering some key features of the competition. The J-series never had a 2wd model (the majority of pickups are sold as 2wds), or a crew/extended cab or dually options although the competition did. The Comanche never had an extended cab option. Personally, I hate extended cabs but look at 90% of all compact pickups sold. The Scrambler is really the biggest suprise in mediocre sales, since look at how much theyre worth now and the demand for them. They were never really pushed at all, so they were obscure to start with. Offering both full and half tops in hard and soft varieties all around wouldve made it a huge success.

There's just no good reason NOT to put the JK-8 into full production. Look at how few new parts are in the kit, and Mopar already makes the kit so there's nothing 'new' to do, really except just build it right at the factory. AND, it allows an extended length full top 2-door which would find plenty of takers as well. Its unlikely that someone is going to hack up a relatively new rig that they probably still have a big payment on. Im gonna ruffle some feathers with this, but since a 2wd JK already exists and its proven that most pickups sell best as 2wd models, theyd be stupid not to at least OFFER a 2wd JK-8. Since there are already plans for a more carlike replacement for the Dakota, Id say that needs to be Dodge's version of the ElCamino, and base it on the LX platform. Offer it as an SRT-8 model with Hemi and you have a hotrod pickup. I saw a news feed that GM is again considering the Holden Ute brought back as the ElCamino. Think about it: Mopars would have the pickup market cornered from 3 angles: The Ram line covers the 'traditional' pickup buyer which looks at the rig as a worktruck for hauling, towing, commercial or personal use. The Dakota replacement would have the more economical DD covered as well as the hot rodder, customizer, and performance enthusiast who wants to haul a bit but is more focused on comfort, ride, handling or economy. And Jeep would swing it back to the guy who needs to haul a bit too but needs a rugged offroad vehicle that can bash and brawl out in the boondocks. Win, win, and win.
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Unread 07-08-2011, 09:29 PM   #33
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I agree with you
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Unread 07-08-2011, 09:40 PM   #34
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Oh and I had mentioned earlier how Id like a crewcab SUT version of the JK...Well there IS a "cargo top" made by Offroad Heroes that represents this pretty well:

http://www.offroadheros.com/softtop4_combo.html

This looks awesome, and makes me want a 4-door JK. But to make a real SUT, a 6-10 inch longer rear overhang would be needed to get a useful bed. A bolt in bulkhead like GR8T tops makes could divide the sections, and Id redesign the rollbar/door pillars a bit. The center pillar is part of the rollcage and seals between the front and rear doors, if theyd just do that again for the last pillar, making the rearmost doorframe, an attachment point for the upper part of the rear rollbar spreaders AND a framework allowing either a soft or hard top/rear window to be used and keep the bed open. If you look at how this top is made, theres that 6-inch or so section extending from the rear doors to the rear glass, so that the back of the cab comes down just behind the rear seats. Instead of that being a part of the soft/hardtop, that pillar section could be part of the rollbar in a factory SUT.

Speaking of gr8tops.com theyre living proof that there's a want/need for a Wrangler pickup, same as the AEV Brute. If 2 companies can stay in business and make a profit by selling these items for those willing/able to build their own jeep pickup or pay a hell of a lot of $$ for the conversion, then its obvious that if Chrysler can do it in house for less $$ it would be a hit.
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Unread 07-09-2011, 08:55 AM   #35
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Well with the commander dropped, That should have opened up a production/assembly line or 2 that could be retooled for wrangler truck production/assembly

Ditch the patriot if they haven't already that should also expand some Jeep production room, As the patriot n commander were Jeep based rigs NOT Chrysler based like the Compass ;-)

I'd just let the Dakota go myself, I hardly see any around these days seem to have vanished . . .
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Unread 07-09-2011, 03:04 PM   #36
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I agree they should ditch the patriot. Its just another car based CUV although it DOES supposedly have a 2-spd awd system. But anyone who will actually use that is going to step up to the Liberty or GC.

On the other hand --and Ive presented this idea many times before--the Compass in theory could be a good idea. Jeep should field a rally car based on it, and follow Subaru's lead in terms of how to sell it: A base model for the DD, an upgraded turbocharged version that has some performance, and a balls-out full on rally bred version with crazy performance. Rallying is just another form of offroading, and Jeep should be dominating it also. That kind of cred will sell a lot of Compasses and it would be cool to see them all tricked out and b!tch-slapping all the comparable ricers.

I dont think the Dakota should go away. They sold like hotcakes because they offered something different from the pack and that can live, breathe, and jump again. Ive heard rumors of basing it off of the minivan platform which IMHO is a big mistake. Honda hasnt been able to sell THAT many Ridgelines and it uses a similar formula. Chrysler needs to look good and hard at the Holden Ute--Ford has one down under also. A v-6 model would get great mpgs and be a great vehicle for casual pickup users, businesses needing something economical and with lite hauling capability but a Hemi version would be one hell of a badass hotrod! The Hemi LX cars can get near 30 mpgs and so would this all the while offering performance and handling that even the likes of the F-150 Lightning couldnt touch.
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Well with the commander dropped, That should have opened up a production/assembly line or 2 that could be retooled for wrangler truck production/assembly
The Commander was built at Jefferson, expressly as a demo to show platform flexibility. The space that the Commander occupied is now producing Durangos.

However, Trenton North is applying for pollution exemptions that would allow them to produce up to 350,000 vehicles (Up from 100,000 currently). Unless they expect the new Liberty to sell like mad, that means they're going to be producing another vehicle there. It's speculated that said line will be producing Wranglers and Wrangler variants, but no announcement yet.
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Unread 07-09-2011, 09:15 PM   #38
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The Commander was built at Jefferson, expressly as a demo to show platform flexibility. The space that the Commander occupied is now producing Durangos.

However, Trenton North is applying for pollution exemptions that would allow them to produce up to 350,000 vehicles (Up from 100,000 currently). Unless they expect the new Liberty to sell like mad, that means they're going to be producing another vehicle there. It's speculated that said line will be producing Wranglers and Wrangler variants, but no announcement yet.
That sounds like good news! I read somewhere that the JK was one of Chryslers...not just Jeep's...but ALL of Chryslers best sellers at this point. Like top 5 if I remember right. I know that even up here, I see a LOT of them...just as many, if not more than those stupid priuses even tho they have like a 7 year headstart.
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As of June, here are the 5 best-selling vehicles (With Ram trucks and the minivans lumped together) Chrysler makes:

Ram 1500/2500/3500/4500/5500: 111,898
Caravan/Town and Country: 103,178
Grand Cherokee: 54,370
Wrangler/Wrangler Unlimited: 53,236
Charger: 37,841

If you split the vans, the Wrangler is still #4, the T&C would be #5, but it's kind of unfair to take the trucks together and not the vans-the vans are far closer to each other than the trucks.
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Well I was on the money. Suprised its outselling the Charger though. Im not a fan of it (or ANY 4-door sedan) but Im seeing a hell of a lot of the redesigned chargers out and about.

As to the trucks/vans I dont see the problem with combining all of them. Just like a caravan is the same thing as a T&C, a 2wd v6 single cab Ram 1500 is still just another variation of a 3500 diesel megacab 4x4 longbed dually. Sam platform entirely, unlike Ford where the Super Duty is a completely different breed.
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Unread 07-14-2011, 01:39 PM   #41
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By the way, this has a thread on my facebook account and its a pretty lively thread. There's SO much interest and demand in this kit, the execs at Jeep are STUPID if they dont get a production Jeep pickup out there.
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Unread 07-15-2011, 09:44 PM   #42
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Man those numbers look lo, I believe the 84'-01' XJ-Cherokee's were 100-150K units/Yr IIRC . . . I could be wrong . . .

I thought RAM1500-3500SRW where the same then 3500DRW-5500 was another unit ? ! ? ! ?
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Unread 07-15-2011, 09:47 PM   #43
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Where on facebook ? ! ? Cause I haven't seen diddly from the Jeep/jeep truck pages ? ! ? !

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Unread 07-16-2011, 03:18 PM   #44
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Its under Mopar's profile. Here's a link to the thread:

http://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.php...53618814652116

Ive tried to stir it up a bit too. Charles Dennis Gajewski is me.
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jeebus, $5500. im sorry, i dont see five and a half grand worth of product there
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