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Unread 07-02-2011, 07:31 PM   #16
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Are you high? Do you even try to keep up with car news?

Jeep's CEO Patiently Bullish About Pickup Truck.

Chrysler CEO: Jeep Pickup Coming, Bit Don't Call It A Pickup.

There was no reason to keep the J-Trucks around with the Dodge trucks around. Take off your rose-coloured glasses-good trucks, definitely, but no better than the Dodges of the same era and with sales numbers that were only a fraction of Dodges.

The Comanche was a nice truck, sure, but look at the sales of every other vehicle in it's class. They don't sell worth a damn. And, again, the Comanche wasn't substantially better, or different, than a Dakota of the same era.

Comanche sales numbers didn't drop magically when Chrysler bought it, they gradually dropped off. They dropped so bad that Jeep/Eagle dealers petitioned Chrysler to let them sell Dakotas instead.

The Comanche was a nice truck but, unless you're specifically looking for off-road prowess, it wasn't anything special. And most people aren't.

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Unread 07-02-2011, 08:59 PM   #17
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no I am not high, there is a market for a off road truck. Just look at the threads on the gladiator and interest it has. I am not talking about a full size truck like the Rams, but a mid size or compact truck.
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Unread 07-02-2011, 09:22 PM   #18
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Yes, yes there is. Hence why they're going to build the Gladiator. And why Ford built the Raptor. And why literally every truck on the market today, save the GMs and the near-dead Dakota, offers an off-road package (Prerunner and SR5 on Toyotas, PRO-4X on Nissans, Outdoorsman and Power Wagon on Rams, FX-4 on Fords).

But Chrysler can't just pull a hundred engineers, $100 million of development money and 50,000 production units from Toledo South out of their butts! The company may not be teetering on the edge of collapse, but literally every other vehicle in the lineup save the Journey, minivans, Grand Cherokee and Wrangler need to be changed or overhauled. The LX cars need new transmissions, the 200/Avenger need to be moved to CUSW platforms, the Compass/Patriot need to be replaced, the Liberty needs to be replaced, the Rams need interior, engine and transmission updates, the Caliber needs to be moved to C-EVO, Dodge needs a whole new compact, Jeep's...well, they're getting a compact SUV that, no matter how little we may like this fact, will bring more new sales to Chrysler than a Gladiator*, the Dakota needs to be replaced, the new Ram 50 needs to be introduced, the Fiat Ducato needs to be brought over as a Ram, the Tigershark engine needs to be finished for the new cars and small crossovers, the 3.0L and 2.8L VM Motori diesels need to be federalized, the 4.2L and 5.0L Cummins diesels need to be finished and federalized, the 9-speed transmission needs to be finished and fitted, the dual-clutch transmissions need to be finished and fitted and there's probably a million other projects we don't know about.

The fact about the Gladiator is that, while it'll probably put down respectable sales numbers, half of them will come from people who would have otherwise bought Jeeps or Rams-Jeepers who need a pickup and settle for a Ram, Ram buyers who want a Jeep truck but settle for a Wrangler Unlimited, would-have-been Dakota buyers who want a small Chrysler pickup, people like that. Yes, it'll take a lot of sales from people who would have bought a Ranger or Colorado/Canyon, who can't, and people who wanted a more capable off-road pickup and would have otherwise bought a Tacoma or Froniter. But the Gladiator won't sell a whole lot. And it doesn't need to, since it's all Wrangler from the front doors forwards-it'll pay for itself pretty fast. But it's still not going to be a big seller-it's a niche player in the smallest market in the automotive industry.

It's not a huge moneymaker, and what a barely post-bankruptcy company like Chrysler needs are moneymakers.
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Unread 07-03-2011, 12:15 PM   #19
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Not a truck, its a Wrangler....and Wranglers are for girls hehehe
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Unread 07-03-2011, 04:01 PM   #20
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Hey, which vehicle do they still build? The Comanche? Oh, wait, no, not that one. The Wrangler.
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Unread 07-03-2011, 04:49 PM   #21
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this not a be wrangler vs truck thing. Jeep should build both.
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Unread 07-03-2011, 07:31 PM   #22
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The solution to this is VERY simple: The J8 already has a 2 door body for the extended chassis, so a bulkhead, halfcab top and redesigned rollcage are all thats needed. That Independence is proof of this, as was the JT concept. Thats all it will take to get people in and ready to buy, although Id also tack on a little overhang to the 4-door bodystyle and halfcab it just like a Hummer H1 for an SUT type of deal. That covers everyone.
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Unread 07-03-2011, 07:43 PM   #23
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There's a problem there. The J8 body won't bolt onto a JK frame, since they have different mounts, and the heavier-duty running gear of the J8 makes it far too expensive to sell in the civilian market ($50,000+ for a Jeep with no interior comforts).

As for converting a JK frame to bolt up a J8 body and fit it with the JK interior, or convert a J8 to use standard JK running gear and JK interior, the price of retooling would still drive this version of the JK-8 up too high to be feasible.

And, again, we still have the problem of the line being too full to accommodate a third Wrangler derivative.
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Unread 07-05-2011, 10:39 PM   #24
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Hmmm....From what I read about the JT concept, the J8 body is identical to the JK piece. Only difference is the 2 door unlimited body isnt being offered. Isnt the Independence kit nothing but the J-8 rear body panels ready to install? If you look at the lower rocker panel, there's a divider line where the sheetmetal past a certain point on the front doors is the same, the rear 3/4 of the rig is what makes it a std 2-door, lwb 2-door, or a 4-door. The interior wouldnt be too big of a deal, since in a pickup derivative, the forward seating postition would be the only place you'd have any finishing to do. But you could be right, since the frame is supposed to be different.

Hell, I think if they offered a full-top version of the 2-door unlimited it would find a market. Add in a universal bulkhead and halfcab that can easily convert the short or long 2-door body into a pickup and you'd have a winner.
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Unread 07-06-2011, 07:50 AM   #25
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I saw this in the news today (although its an older news article, I know): a time-lapse video of MOPAR technicians installing an Independence kit.

But then at the end of the video one of the technicians said something that bothered me: that the kit would only work for 2007-2009 Jeep Wrangler Unlimiteds.

What if I have/want a later model unlimited? Am I Sh*t out of Luck? Does this make sense to you guys?

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http://motorcitymusclecars.com/2011/06/23/independence-day-mopar-readies-the-jeep-wrangler-jk8-independence-kit/

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Unread 07-06-2011, 11:55 AM   #26
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Kit looks good to me, If ya want a Cab/bed Jeep truck get a brute kit

TJ-Brute n JK-Independence both pretty much cover any and all your Jeep truck needs, Want something bigger ? Go buy a Jeep J series tons of them still around

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We still have the problem of the line being too full to accommodate a third Wrangler derivative.
Simply fixed, drop the 2dr Wrangler 85% of the planet is buying 4dr everything, Me I personally HATE 4dr trucks they look clumsy n oxy I will never own one . . . So now that we've established my distaste for all things 4dr !

Simply offer the Wrangler in a 4dr Utility or 2dr Truck
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Simply fixed, drop the 2dr Wrangler 85% of the planet is buying 4dr everything, Me I personally HATE 4dr trucks they look clumsy n oxy I will never own one . . . So now that we've established my distaste for all things 4dr !

Simply offer the Wrangler in a 4dr Utility or 2dr Truck
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NO WAY!!!! The 2 door model IS the Wrangler. The 4-door may be a hot seller, but without the classic 2-door open top Jeep, there is no Jeep. Now, if you want to drop the 2-door JK and bring on something closer to the original flatfender in a bare bones 2-door then you might be onto something, since I always felt that the JK bodystyle seemed like it was designed around the 4-door. They shouldve kept the TJ around as the 2-door model, IMHO.
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The 2dr Wrangler's basic design is 70+ yrs old, It was a 1980s revamp of a 1940s design that has greatly evolved yet stay'd with the same basic tin can on wagon wheels design.

Come on ditch the 2dr its obsolete they ain't going anywhere but belly up I'm NOT a Jeeper, I won't buy something simply because it says "Jeep" on it

They could drop the Wrangler at the end of the 2012 Model year, Ramp up production of the Compass and Grand Cherokee in the Wrangler plant ! ! !

Jeep is walking away from the Redneck/trashy image and going high end, Look at the Grand and baby grand

I'm NOT a Jeeper like most, I won't buy any hunk of crap that says "Jeep" on it

Most likely my next run about will be a JK-8 maybe even a Brute, Possibly NOT even a jeep at all being that I'm NOT a Chrysler fan really . . . No Jeep truck no sale I'm only one person they won't miss my business

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The 2dr is most certainly not obsolete. Its the iconic face of Jeep and without it, the brand as a whole will go belly up. I dare say the entire offroading culture might follow without the classic 2dr jeep. I do agree on not wanting to buy just anything that says Jeep. The Commander was a total POS, imho and while Im not totally opposed to the car based patriot and compass, the execution is horrible since they should be turbocharged rally bred racecars a-la the subaru sti.
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