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Unread 08-10-2011, 01:15 PM   #1
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Jeep Liberty redesigned for '13, Patriot/Compass get axed, Grand Wagoneer (Commander)

Source: http://www.autoblog.com/2011/08/09/f...n-three-jeeps/


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- 2013 Jeep Liberty redesigned based on larger Compass/Patriot platform (CUSW Plus) and likely AWD

- Compass & Patriot get axed and replaced by a single compact SUV based on a Fiat CUSW compact crossover platform

- New Jeep Grand Wagoneer, "Think Commander, only better. Much better."


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The Jeep product portfolio will undergo some major changes in the next few years, starting with the addition of a new subcompact crossover and a flagship, seven-passenger Grand Wagoneer. Still, Jeep assures the world that even with these changes, the automaker will still stand true to its off-road heritage. That seven-slat grille has to stand for something, after all.

Jeep will debut a new subcompact crossover based on a Fiat platform in late 2013 or early 2014. The B-Jeep will be designed for use in North and Latin America, and will be built alongside the Fiat 500 and Dodge Journey at the automaker's plant in Toluca, Mexico.

Both the Compass and Patriot will be replaced in one fell swoop with a new vehicle based on Fiat's CUSW compact crossover platform. The new Jeep will debut in 2013, likely as a 2014 model, and will be built for global markets, including North America. In speaking to Automotive News, Jeep brand CEO Michael Manley said that this vehicle would be available with both front- and all-wheel drive.

The Liberty – a vehicle left untouched in the 2011 model year product onslaught – will get a replacement in 2013. This crossover will be built on a larger version of the Compass/Patriot platform, called CUSW Plus, and will likely remain an all-wheel-drive-only affair.

Lastly, a new Grand Wagoneer is still in the works, stemming from Chrysler CEO Sergio Marchionne's confirmation earlier this year. Its platform will be shared with the Dodge Durango and will be the flagship model in the Jeep lineup. Think Commander, only better. Much better.


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Unread 08-11-2011, 12:02 AM   #2
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Not even a mention of the gladiator...?
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Unread 08-11-2011, 06:05 AM   #3
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^ I'm pretty sure I read that the Gladiator was pushed back. If I find that article, I'll let you know.
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Gladiator is going to pop up around 2015 or so. It's being delayed because there isn't anywhere to build it (Current Wrangler line is at 95% capacity, and demand is expected to increase next year when the rest of the new Lancia/Jeep dealers open), and because all of Chrysler's engineers and development dollars are allocated to more important (And profitable) projects.

As much as we all want a Gladiator, they're probably going to sell more B-Class and Patriot/Compass replacements, and definitely more Dodge and Chrysler B-Class and C-Class cars that are coming to replace the Caliber, Avenger and 200.

But they're adding 1,100 jobs to the Toledo complex in an expansion in the plant that builds the Nitro and Liberty currently, and it's speculated that that expansion will include the ability to build Wranglers and Wrangler-based vehicles.
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Since that's where they build the Wranglers at anyways is in the same building as the Nitro and Liberty just next door here in Toledo
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Same plant as the original glads/715s too.
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- New Jeep Grand Wagoneer, "Think Commander, only better. Much better."
I just hope it's not better as in;

- independent rear suspension
- more electric automated gizmos
- finer leather
- low profile tires
- softer suspension

Instead, it should be;

- 3rd row slightly larger (not much) still having a bit of luggage space left
- better ground clearance
- more masculine look
- a ****load of power
- 3 x locking differentials (LSDs also ok)
- more towing ability
- less plastic inside
- and keep the low-range!

So I really hope they don't compete too hard with those chromed whales at the malls, but really make a true kickass 7-seater offroader.

The Commander is already the best all-use vehicle ever made, I hope they don't mess it up. At least the Euro-versions are also reliable as hell, 4 years and never a single issue with it. Fantastic car. With my JK I'm all the time at warranty repairs or recalls. Still, love them both equally, just for different reasons.
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Your opinion may be a bit skewed, Carlos, by virtue of availability. Compared to most 7-passenger SUVs, the Commander's actually pretty junky. It's only saving grace, at least here in North America, is that it's got terrible resale, so you can get a lot of truck for not much money used.

Anyways, the Grand Wagoneer will, fundamentally, be a Durango with Grand Cherokee suspension. IFS and IRS, with the adjustable air suspension, low range, a ton of power (Pentastar and Hemi options), better towing capacity, less plastic, retro styling and so forth.
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I just hope it's not better as in;

- independent rear suspension
- more electric automated gizmos
- finer leather
- low profile tires
- softer suspension

Instead, it should be;

- 3rd row slightly larger (not much) still having a bit of luggage space left
- better ground clearance
- more masculine look
- a ****load of power
- 3 x locking differentials (LSDs also ok)
- more towing ability
- less plastic inside
- and keep the low-range!

So I really hope they don't compete too hard with those chromed whales at the malls, but really make a true kickass 7-seater offroader.

The Commander is already the best all-use vehicle ever made, I hope they don't mess it up. At least the Euro-versions are also reliable as hell, 4 years and never a single issue with it. Fantastic car. With my JK I'm all the time at warranty repairs or recalls. Still, love them both equally, just for different reasons.
Let's remember, the Grand Wagoneer was a luxury vehicle when it debuted. It went for a smoother ride and better interior than the CJs. So sticking to the original idea, I never expected the new one to be an off-road king.
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Exactly. The Grand Wagoneer was only a hardcore off-roader by association. At the time, independent suspension on trucks just flat out did not exist. Independent suspension on trucks didn't start showing up until the late '80s and early '90s, and even then it took until the mid '90s for it to become commonplace.

It had solid axles because that's what was available at the time. It wasn't designed to be a rock crawler, it just happened to be one because it was made by digging around in Jeep's parts bin to make a luxury SUV.
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Wow. So theyre re-investing in big fatass mall-crawlers that didnt sell the first time, re-hashed and regurgitated into all new overpriced crap that wont sell this time either.

Dude, who the hell is running things over there? The Wrangler is selling like hotcakes because its rugged, capable, simple and stylish. The Liberty and GC are selling for the same reason, but because theyre a little more comfy. It sounds like theyre going to neuter the Liberty into another gutless CUV which will fail for a couple of reasons: Everyone already offers a TON of CUVs so its a saturated market. Jeep's whole appeal, its very image is that of a 'real' truck that can do things a truck should do. By offering something different and back to basics, Jeep has been successful. Going with the flow will NOT work for a brand known for standing its ground and doing its own thing.
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Your opinion may be a bit skewed, Carlos, by virtue of availability. Compared to most 7-passenger SUVs, the Commander's actually pretty junky. It's only saving grace, at least here in North America, is that it's got terrible resale, so you can get a lot of truck for not much money used.
Can you tell me, which OTHER car can carry up to 7 passengers (or a metric ton of cargo), pass the Rubicon trail with stock options (QDII), maintain a comfortable travel speed of and above 100mph on a curvy motorway, or tow up 3,5 metric tons?
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The Commander WON'T cross the Rubicon trail, that's the thing. Not the serious parts, at least. Neither will the Grand Cherokee WK it's based off. The parts it WILL cross can be done by any decent 4x4 with good tires.

Tahoes/Yukons, Expeditions, Armadas and Land Cruisers, can do all those things, for about the same original selling price. (Well, the Land Cruiser is a bit more, but still). They'll also tow as much, or more, work better on the road, are better-built, as or more powerful and more comfortable. Especially in the back seats.

The Commander was axed in record time, while those trucks were around long before and will be long after-they don't axe good vehicles. The Commander really wasn't that good, as far as 7-passenger SUVs go.
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The Commander WON'T cross the Rubicon trail, that's the thing. Not the serious parts, at least. Neither will the Grand Cherokee WK it's based off. The parts it WILL cross can be done by any decent 4x4 with good tires.
I wonder if you've ever tried a Commander with QDII off road, having just plain allweather Wranglers for tires. Especially with the massive torque given by the MB Diesel starting from very low RPM. I tell you, my JK is having sometimes a hard time to go to places where the Commander goes. JK has only more ground clearance, otherwise it's actually less capable.

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Tahoes/Yukons, Expeditions, Armadas and Land Cruisers, can do all those things, for about the same original selling price. (Well, the Land Cruiser is a bit more, but still). They'll also tow as much, or more, work better on the road, are better-built, as or more powerful and more comfortable. Especially in the back seats.
Expedition on a german Autobahn with 100mph? Yeah right, would be off the road in a few minutes. And not in the normal off-road way. The Expedition is bigger for sure, more roomier, softer suspension, but that's it. The exterior is also much bigger than a "normal" family car. It's not as good for all-purpose conditions.

Not to mention I wouldn't go into an italian small town with something like an Expedition, since it's too big. The Commander still fits fine.

There are bigger, more comfortable, more powerful SUVs around, but nothing which comes close to the Commander in allround usage. Perhaps the world looks a bit different in the US where all the roads are straight, and parking lots are built for large SUVs. And most people use their SUVs only at shopping malls.

I do want to get also a bigger SUV, but that will be then the family flagship for comfortable roadtrips. We'll still keep the Commander anyway, since they are not competitors. The JK we'll keep just for topless fun, mostly taking place offroad.
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I guarantee that any full-size SUV on the market will do 100 MPH on the Autobahn just fine, because I see them doing that on our far worse North American highways all the time.

If you're having trouble putting your JK some places, you're either lying or a terrible driver. I'm leaning towards lying, personally, because the JK is superior to the Commander, and every other consumer-market vehicle save possibly the Land Rover Defender and the Land Cruiser 70, on the market today off-road.

The Expedition, Tahoe, ect are all in the same dimensional category as the Commander. The Tahoe is the widest, and is only 4" wider than the Commander. I wouldn't take ANY of them into a small city, though.
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