Is Jeep designing a new Jeep yet? - Page 6 - JeepForum.com
Search  
Sign Up   Today's Posts
User: Pass: Remember?
Advertise Here
Jeep Home Jeep Forum Jeep Classifieds Jeep Registry JeepSpace Jeep Reviews Jeep Gallery Jeep Clubs Jeep Groups Jeep Videos Jeep Events Jeep Articles
Go Back JeepForum.com > Models > Future Models & Prototype Discussion > Is Jeep designing a new Jeep yet?

Yukon Ultimate 35 axle kit for c/clip axles with Yukon ZipEngo winches available at www.rockridge4wd.com! Free shippNEW JK WRANGLER GRAB BARS NOW at ROCKRIDGE4WD

Reply
Unread 05-09-2012, 10:19 AM   #76
Marauder_Pilot
Moderator
 
Marauder_Pilot's Avatar
2000 TJ Wrangler 
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Whitehorse, Yukon Territory
Posts: 1,839
I had to do the same thing in my TJ a few years back, got caught in a blizzard when I still lived in Ontario-2 feet of deep, wet snow and I had a plane to catch. The TJ ran just fine, and I'd bet a JK would too. Honestly, in that kind of weather, your tires are the most important factor-I had a bit of a time because I was running 12.5" wide BFG A/Ts that floated on top of the snow.

__________________
"Buying a Jeep for on-road handling is like downloading porn to savor the cinematography."
-TTAC

| ARB/Old Man Emu | Northridge 4x4 Canada | Warn | Modern Classic Enterprises | American Expeditionary Vehicles | GenRight | Poison Spyder | OR-FAB | Metalcloak | East CoastGear Supply | JKS | M.O.R.E. |

2000 Jeep Wrangler TJ Sport-OME HD Lift, ProComp bumper, 32" BFG TA K/Os
1994 GMC Sierra 1500 2WD-Stock
2010 Kawasaki KLR650-Stock
Marauder_Pilot is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Unread 05-09-2012, 01:59 PM   #77
TheHuntsman
Registered User
2012 JK Wrangler 
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Frankfort, NY
Posts: 294
Quote:
Originally Posted by Marauder_Pilot View Post
I had to do the same thing in my TJ a few years back, got caught in a blizzard when I still lived in Ontario-2 feet of deep, wet snow and I had a plane to catch. The TJ ran just fine, and I'd bet a JK would too. Honestly, in that kind of weather, your tires are the most important factor-I had a bit of a time because I was running 12.5" wide BFG A/Ts that floated on top of the snow.
I'm dying for winter to get here. I just wish they didn't use salt on the roads here. It really sucks.
TheHuntsman is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Unread 05-09-2012, 02:42 PM   #78
shippey-ki-yay
Registered User
1999 TJ Wrangler 
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Newton, MA
Posts: 210
I'm old enough to remember when they introduced the YJ.....All my CJ driving friends said "Wider stance?,softer springs?, square headlights? That's not a Jeep". Then when the introduced the TJ the same people were "I dig the round headlights, but coil springs?That's not a Jeep". I haven't heard many complaints about the JK except for the excessive use of plastic.

I guess my point being is the Jeep has been evolving for decades and there will always be dissenters. Hopefully the failure of Toyota's FJ Cruiser will serve as an exaple to Jeep to not diverge too far from a winning design (IFS etc.).
shippey-ki-yay is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Unread 05-09-2012, 02:58 PM   #79
Marauder_Pilot
Moderator
 
Marauder_Pilot's Avatar
2000 TJ Wrangler 
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Whitehorse, Yukon Territory
Posts: 1,839
The FJ's problems are more in their styling and the fact that it's just not as 'cool' as the Wrangler.

It fits in a really weird spot-it's on the same platform as the 4Runner and Tacoma, but is less practical than either for the same price. But it's not as good off-road as the Wrangler (And, with the 2012s, not as good on-road either), and doesn't have the cool features, like the removable doors and roof, that the Wrangler did.

If they'd lowered the beltline on the FJ Cruiser and made it a convertible like the original FJ-40, then it'd have done a lot better.
__________________
"Buying a Jeep for on-road handling is like downloading porn to savor the cinematography."
-TTAC

| ARB/Old Man Emu | Northridge 4x4 Canada | Warn | Modern Classic Enterprises | American Expeditionary Vehicles | GenRight | Poison Spyder | OR-FAB | Metalcloak | East CoastGear Supply | JKS | M.O.R.E. |

2000 Jeep Wrangler TJ Sport-OME HD Lift, ProComp bumper, 32" BFG TA K/Os
1994 GMC Sierra 1500 2WD-Stock
2010 Kawasaki KLR650-Stock
Marauder_Pilot is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Unread 05-09-2012, 03:04 PM   #80
shippey-ki-yay
Registered User
1999 TJ Wrangler 
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Newton, MA
Posts: 210
Quote:
Originally Posted by Marauder_Pilot View Post
The FJ's problems are more in their styling and the fact that it's just not as 'cool' as the Wrangler.

It fits in a really weird spot-it's on the same platform as the 4Runner and Tacoma, but is less practical than either for the same price. But it's not as good off-road as the Wrangler (And, with the 2012s, not as good on-road either), and doesn't have the cool features, like the removable doors and roof, that the Wrangler did.

If they'd lowered the beltline on the FJ Cruiser and made it a convertible like the original FJ-40, then it'd have done a lot better.
Agreed, I always liked the old FJ-40 so when I saw the first pictures of the FJ Cruiser I thought they might have potential....then when I actually saw one I was thoroughly dissappointed.
shippey-ki-yay is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Unread 05-09-2012, 03:51 PM   #81
Marauder_Pilot
Moderator
 
Marauder_Pilot's Avatar
2000 TJ Wrangler 
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Whitehorse, Yukon Territory
Posts: 1,839
I really like the FJ Cruiser myself. Not enough to buy one over a Wrangler, especially not with the 2012s, but I'd buy one in addition to a Wrangler.

But, at this point, the only thing the FJ has on the Wrangler is its 5000-pound towing capacity (The only thing that disappoints me about the Wrangler-all I want is for LWB JK to be able to flat-tow a SWB Jeep)
__________________
"Buying a Jeep for on-road handling is like downloading porn to savor the cinematography."
-TTAC

| ARB/Old Man Emu | Northridge 4x4 Canada | Warn | Modern Classic Enterprises | American Expeditionary Vehicles | GenRight | Poison Spyder | OR-FAB | Metalcloak | East CoastGear Supply | JKS | M.O.R.E. |

2000 Jeep Wrangler TJ Sport-OME HD Lift, ProComp bumper, 32" BFG TA K/Os
1994 GMC Sierra 1500 2WD-Stock
2010 Kawasaki KLR650-Stock
Marauder_Pilot is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Unread 05-09-2012, 11:39 PM   #82
shippey-ki-yay
Registered User
1999 TJ Wrangler 
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Newton, MA
Posts: 210
OK so here's a question for you....How come Jeep has the last fully removeable top?....


going backwards for American models
International Scout II ... last year 1980 ...
Dodge Ramcharger ...last year 1980....
Ford Bronco....last year 1977.....
Chevrolet Blazer ...last year 1975(?)....

why did all the other manufacturers abandon the fully removeable top (Yes, I know the Scout was discontinued in 1980)

Slightly unrelated, but something I've always been curious about and you seem to have a wealth of knowlege on this subject.
shippey-ki-yay is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Unread 05-09-2012, 11:49 PM   #83
shippey-ki-yay
Registered User
1999 TJ Wrangler 
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Newton, MA
Posts: 210
In 1981 Dodge went to a full hard top
In 1978 Ford went to a half-top
In 1975(?) Chevy went to a half-top

was it a liability issue?.....maybe because jeep always had the rollbar?
shippey-ki-yay is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Unread 05-10-2012, 12:27 AM   #84
Marauder_Pilot
Moderator
 
Marauder_Pilot's Avatar
2000 TJ Wrangler 
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Whitehorse, Yukon Territory
Posts: 1,839
Actually, it's much simpler-Jeep just kicked their asses in terms of sales.

The convertable models of all of those individually never came even close to the sales of the CJs at the time.

International wanted to continue the Scout, and the concepts and prototypes for the next Scout might have given the CJ/YJ a run for their money. Sadly, IH got out of the light vehicle market before that happened.

The hardtop Bronco, Blazer/Jimmy and Ramcharger/Trailduster saw sales pick up when they went more solid, because they appealed more to the fleet and SUV market then. Plus, while they couldn't compete with the CJ sales-wise, they could with the Cherokee SJ.

But the root of it is that when people want to buy a jeep, they default to a Jeep. Plus, Jeep is one of those brands that transcends normal car brand bias-Ford guys, GM guys, Toyota guys, whatever, they can all buy Jeeps without feeling bad.

Here's the great thing about Jeeps: everybody on the planet, no matter what language they speak, what car culture they subscribe to (if any at all), where they live, what they drive, what they like, immediately imagines the exact same thing when someone says 'Jeep'. A SWB, convertible off-roader is a Jeep-it's actually the word for SUV in several languages. Toyota, Nissan, Ford, Chevy, Dodge and Suzuki have all tried to make a Jeep, but no matter how good they build their vehicle, they can't erase 70+ years of consumer conditioning.
__________________
"Buying a Jeep for on-road handling is like downloading porn to savor the cinematography."
-TTAC

| ARB/Old Man Emu | Northridge 4x4 Canada | Warn | Modern Classic Enterprises | American Expeditionary Vehicles | GenRight | Poison Spyder | OR-FAB | Metalcloak | East CoastGear Supply | JKS | M.O.R.E. |

2000 Jeep Wrangler TJ Sport-OME HD Lift, ProComp bumper, 32" BFG TA K/Os
1994 GMC Sierra 1500 2WD-Stock
2010 Kawasaki KLR650-Stock
Marauder_Pilot is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Unread 05-10-2012, 12:41 AM   #85
shippey-ki-yay
Registered User
1999 TJ Wrangler 
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Newton, MA
Posts: 210
Scout III ....no removable top.....the first concept I saw had a sort of T-top sort of roof

I
scout3.jpg  
shippey-ki-yay is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Unread 05-10-2012, 11:09 AM   #86
Marauder_Pilot
Moderator
 
Marauder_Pilot's Avatar
2000 TJ Wrangler 
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Whitehorse, Yukon Territory
Posts: 1,839
That's not quite the same Scout III I saw...the one I saw was black, and looked like it had both a T-Top and removable panels on the back.

But it was a few years ago, and I can't find it any more. Still, the Scout III would have been a fun vehicle had IH survived.

Anyways, moving this thread to Future Models.
__________________
"Buying a Jeep for on-road handling is like downloading porn to savor the cinematography."
-TTAC

| ARB/Old Man Emu | Northridge 4x4 Canada | Warn | Modern Classic Enterprises | American Expeditionary Vehicles | GenRight | Poison Spyder | OR-FAB | Metalcloak | East CoastGear Supply | JKS | M.O.R.E. |

2000 Jeep Wrangler TJ Sport-OME HD Lift, ProComp bumper, 32" BFG TA K/Os
1994 GMC Sierra 1500 2WD-Stock
2010 Kawasaki KLR650-Stock
Marauder_Pilot is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Unread 06-07-2012, 11:14 PM   #87
CanadianJets
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 17
You guys will want to kill me after my post. But please, try to understand me. :-) I'm new here, maybe it will give a small credit.
I really like Wrangler and I'm gonna buy one. I love Sahara unlimited. But for the future jeep models I'd think about a couple of things. As far as I read, jeep is going to stop making Compass, Patriot and Liberty. And instead of them there is going to be a compact SUV, based on Fiat Panda. Well, it would be good for Europe but not for the north America. Let's see, a lot of people buy wrangler and they never go off-road. So, why doesnt Jeep make a vehicle based on wrangler but being more crossover? Patriot and compass were based on dodge caliber platform - its not the best vehicle ever. So, let's name it "wrangler light". I'd buy it if it had wrangler style but besides that it had FD2 transmission and a little bit less ground clearence. Well let's face the truth - about 70 percent of buyers don't go to real off-road. They like just the Jeep style. So, give them that! Patriot by the way is not so bad besides the boxy design. Well you can say its the classic Jeep style but no. It looks like a toy. Take a look at Ford Escape before 2013 model. It is boxy, but looks much better. If Jeep makes something like that with the same FD2, I think it became a bestseller crossover instead of Compass and Patriot.
Sorry for so long post guys.
CanadianJets is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Unread 06-08-2012, 08:04 AM   #88
XJ2Timer
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Temple, TX
Posts: 737
Quote:
Originally Posted by CanadianJets View Post
You guys will want to kill me after my post. But please, try to understand me. :-) I'm new here, maybe it will give a small credit.
I really like Wrangler and I'm gonna buy one. I love Sahara unlimited. But for the future jeep models I'd think about a couple of things. As far as I read, jeep is going to stop making Compass, Patriot and Liberty. And instead of them there is going to be a compact SUV, based on Fiat Panda. Well, it would be good for Europe but not for the north America. Let's see, a lot of people buy wrangler and they never go off-road. So, why doesnt Jeep make a vehicle based on wrangler but being more crossover? Patriot and compass were based on dodge caliber platform - its not the best vehicle ever. So, let's name it "wrangler light". I'd buy it if it had wrangler style but besides that it had FD2 transmission and a little bit less ground clearence. Well let's face the truth - about 70 percent of buyers don't go to real off-road. They like just the Jeep style. So, give them that! Patriot by the way is not so bad besides the boxy design. Well you can say its the classic Jeep style but no. It looks like a toy. Take a look at Ford Escape before 2013 model. It is boxy, but looks much better. If Jeep makes something like that with the same FD2, I think it became a bestseller crossover instead of Compass and Patriot.
Sorry for so long post guys.
The huge Sky Rider sun roof on the Liberty was one attempt to bring some of the open air feeling of the Wrangler to a less capable Jeep. Since the 90s there have been several Jeep concept vehicles that are open top but less capable than the Wrangler. The Jeepster and Renegade concepts certainly fit into your proposed 'light" category.
But I doubt Jeep will build one. Just like Jeep hasn't built a real replacement for the XJ Cherokee. They don't want to steal any thunder from the Wrangler but they remain clueless that the Wrangler doesn't fit everyone's idea of a capable Jeep.
__________________
1st one- 1989 Cherokee Laredo. 12 great years
2nd one- 2001 Cherokee Limited. Got it before they were gone.
XJ2Timer is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Unread 06-09-2012, 12:18 PM   #89
h20squirter
Registered User
2012 JK Wrangler 
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Mount Dora, Florida
Posts: 210
Quote:
Originally Posted by CanadianJets
You guys will want to kill me after my post. But please, try to understand me. :-) I'm new here, maybe it will give a small credit.
I really like Wrangler and I'm gonna buy one. I love Sahara unlimited. But for the future jeep models I'd think about a couple of things. As far as I read, jeep is going to stop making Compass, Patriot and Liberty. And instead of them there is going to be a compact SUV, based on Fiat Panda. Well, it would be good for Europe but not for the north America. Let's see, a lot of people buy wrangler and they never go off-road. So, why doesnt Jeep make a vehicle based on wrangler but being more crossover? Patriot and compass were based on dodge caliber platform - its not the best vehicle ever. So, let's name it "wrangler light". I'd buy it if it had wrangler style but besides that it had FD2 transmission and a little bit less ground clearence. Well let's face the truth - about 70 percent of buyers don't go to real off-road. They like just the Jeep style. So, give them that! Patriot by the way is not so bad besides the boxy design. Well you can say its the classic Jeep style but no. It looks like a toy. Take a look at Ford Escape before 2013 model. It is boxy, but looks much better. If Jeep makes something like that with the same FD2, I think it became a bestseller crossover instead of Compass and Patriot.
Sorry for so long post guys.
for a lot of people on forums like these the current stock Wrangler Sport and Sahara are Wrangler Lite. Rubicon is getting close. And we build ours to be capable off road vehicles.

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using JeepForum
__________________
2012 JKU Black, Soft Top. Next mods are a 2.5" lift, 35" Tires, and either 4.10 or 4.56 gears.
h20squirter is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Unread 06-09-2012, 10:59 PM   #90
CanadianJets
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 17
Quote:
Originally Posted by h20squirter

for a lot of people on forums like these the current stock Wrangler Sport and Sahara are Wrangler Lite. Rubicon is getting close. And we build ours to be capable off road vehicles.

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using JeepForum
Maybe. Sahara and sport are great off-roaders. And a lot of people buy them not for going off-road. They just like the style. And they never use the 4x4 feature. So, what's the point of buying? Wrangler is not so good for everyday city driving to be honest.
That was my point.
CanadianJets is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now

In order to be able to post messages on the JeepForum.com forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.
User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.
Password:
Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid e-mail address for yourself.
Note: All free e-mails have been banned due to mis-use. (Yahoo, Gmail, Hotmail, etc.)
Don't have a non-free e-mail address? Click here for a solution: Manual Account Creation
Email Address:

Log-in

Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.


Thread Tools


Suggested Threads





Jeep, Wrangler, Cherokee, Grand Cherokee, and other models are copyrighted and trademarked to Jeep/Chrysler Corporation. JeepForum.com is not in any way associated with Jeep or the Chrysler Corp.