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Unread 05-01-2012, 01:28 AM   #1
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Is Jeep designing a new Jeep yet?

The CJ was from 76 to 86 (10 years) YJ was from 87 to 95 (8 years) the TJ was from 97-06 (9 years) so it seems like the JK should be done in 2014-2015 with the introduction of the new model year. Which means Jeep should be releasing the concept Jeep in 2013 or 2014, which means Jeep should be diligently working on the next instalment in the back rooms.

What do you guys think the new Jeep is going to be like? It seems like every one becomes more civilized but it is getting to the point where Jeep buyers don't want Jeeps. Do you think Jeep is going to civilize the JK for the model or are they going to go retro and make it more rugged? How big of a change do you guys expect from the new Jeep? Will on road comfort win out over offroad prestige, the rest of the Jeep line as well as other off road vehicles have gone to IFS do you think this is even remotely possible for the new Wrangler? Will the stick shift 4wd be a thing of the past? Will they shrink it back down to TJ size or will it continue to grow? Will the 2 door model go away as I am seeing less and less two door Jeeps? Is there a possibility for a Scrambler return? Any chance at a V8 from the factory? Will it still have a removable top, most of the JK's are hard tops which means it could be on its way out? Will there even be a new Jeep or will government policies, death wobble, and gas prices of killed it by then? And probably the most improtant part, any chance it will have square head lights?

What do you want to see (with in reason) from the next Jeep. What do you expect Jeep will do with the next Jeep. Those can be two very different things.

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Unread 05-01-2012, 02:06 AM   #2
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I believe allpar actually has said Jeep had begun work on the next gen Wrangler a few months back.

I find it really hard to make any guesses at this point. Marchionne has given off some hints he understands the "Jeep thing" and heritage entirely, even saying the Wrangler must remain American made.

Given that the JK was designed under the reign of terror that was Daimler ownership, I really don't know whether to expect something even more civilized or something more basic. Part of me hopes they just improve on the JK platform given how well its performing, there are so many possibilities for it I think it would be a shame to replace it so soon.
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Unread 05-01-2012, 02:10 AM   #3
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These are just things I would like my current JK to be, but maybe the next model will have them... I would like it to be more waterproof and a little less like a car. Maybe offer a very base model for those of us who like to run topless/doorless most of the time. Wouldn't need to worry as much about the cd player or steering wheel buttons getting wet. Hopefully the next one will continue the same drivetrain, with no IFS. Maybe not so much plastic as well. I'm sure I'll think of other things later, but it's time for sleep.
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Unread 05-01-2012, 08:57 AM   #4
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Look at EPA requirements for the next 10 years. Then look at crash test requirements. Stronger crumple zones means more (and fancier) metals. EPA requirements means more plastic to offset the additional metal.

Fiat has one heck of a heritage in Europe. I don't doubt they can relate to the Wrangler's heritage. I think the doors, top and windshield will still be removable, but it will probably keep or increase the 'car like' interior. Perhaps a bare bones SE model. But expect the Rubicon trim to have all the luxury. Let's face it, an insignificant number of people would buy a bare bones interior with Rubicon capability. So that's not going to happen.
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Unread 05-01-2012, 11:24 AM   #5
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Here you go....

The end is near....

(this is of course, a joke, it's a concept called the Neuter, or the Goiter, something Italianish like that.)
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If Italians understand American heritage say like when they build old west replica guns, the next jeep will look like a bantam. I hope they have two types 1) the soccer mom hummer wanna bees and 2) the "I'm gonna change it anyway" group. Please make a back to its root jeep, smaller, narrow, 4 cyl tops out at 60. Btw with an engine compartment big enough for a v8
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I'll predict that they will do away with the solid front axle, more luxury trim levels. It will have to compete with the 4 Runner. Got to keep the buyers happy, not the off roaders.
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Ha! Love the fiat.. (rolling eyes).. Inlaws bought me a cute little red restored fiat convertible for my wedding gift... it was like driving a fast go-cart.. had it for 3 weeks.. we had a flood and the car went 4' under water.. traded it for a 4 wheeler.... That 4 wheeler was the best wedding gift EVER!
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The CJ series as a whole was from 1946-1986, the CJ7 was 76-86.
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Unread 05-01-2012, 09:48 PM   #10
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Part of me hopes they just improve on the JK platform given how well its performing, there are so many possibilities for it I think it would be a shame to replace it so soon.
I am sure they are going to redesign it in someway or anouther, it has happened like that for the last 30 years, they may keep the same drivetrain like they did with the YJ to TJ but it will look different.


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Fiat has one heck of a heritage in Europe. I don't doubt they can relate to the Wrangler's heritage. I think the doors, top and windshield will still be removable, but it will probably keep or increase the 'car like' interior. Perhaps a bare bones SE model. But expect the Rubicon trim to have all the luxury. Let's face it, an insignificant number of people would buy a bare bones interior with Rubicon capability. So that's not going to happen.
That is what I hope even though I will not be buying one for anouther 10 years if I even do. I know the Rubicon will need all of the luxuries, but hopefully they have a bare bones base model. The JK has a half door option right?

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I'll predict that they will do away with the solid front axle, more luxury trim levels. It will have to compete with the 4 Runner. Got to keep the buyers happy, not the off roaders.
I hope this is not what will happen but I have a fear that is were the Wrangler is headed.

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Ha! Love the fiat.. (rolling eyes).. Inlaws bought me a cute little red restored fiat convertible for my wedding gift... it was like driving a fast go-cart.. had it for 3 weeks.. we had a flood and the car went 4' under water.. traded it for a 4 wheeler.... That 4 wheeler was the best wedding gift EVER!
I have a 97 Miata that is the exact same way, it is like a go-cart. 4 feet to the top of the windshield. It is a great car to drive but every one keeps telling me it is a girls car.

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The CJ series as a whole was from 1946-1986, the CJ7 was 76-86.
I know I was refering to the CJ7, I guess I should have clarified that.
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JK's replacement will be out sometime between 2014 and 2016.

Diesel and pickup variants are highly likely. Both Sergio Marcichonne (Chrysler/Fiat CEO) and Mike Manley (Jeep CEO) have all but confirmed that both will come with the next generation.

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Please make a back to its root jeep, smaller, narrow, 4 cyl tops out at 60.
Not legal. If you want something like that today, give Polaris, Can-Am, John Deere or Yamaha a call, they all make a mean side-by-side.

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I'll predict that they will do away with the solid front axle, more luxury trim levels. It will have to compete with the 4 Runner. Got to keep the buyers happy, not the off roaders.
False on both accounts.

Wrangler will remain solid-axled until the end of time, according to both Marcichonne, Manley and the Jeep engineering team.

Grand Cherokee competes with 4Runner, not Wrangler.

No more luxury trim levels, Grand Cherokee and Grand Wagoneer will be competing in that segment.

Carpet delete/bedliner is also under consideration as an option.

Pentastar will remain base engine, diesel likely, V8 possible.

Overall changes will remain pretty low. Think something along the lines of the jump from the CJ-7 to the YJ. The changes will be more oriented towards production efficiency, since the public is already very happy with the balance of capability and comfort, so much so that the only thing keeping Jeep from selling more Wranglers is factory capacity. They're going to change it with small aerodynamic tweaks to up the MPG (Along the lines of the tweaks between the '11 and '12 models), introduce a new engine and probably transmission(s).

The big change will be designing it so that it can accomodate at the very least a pickup variant, and possibly other variants.

One of the first directives that Marcichonne laid down for Jeep was producing additional Wrangler derivatives. Currently, nothing has come because the Wrangler needed very few changes to make it a profitable model (It was actually one of only two profitable vehicles at Chrysler when he took over, Viper being the other), so the engineering staff have been focusing on more needy nameplates.
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Unread 05-02-2012, 07:31 PM   #12
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JK's replacement will be out sometime between 2014 and 2016.

Diesel and pickup variants are highly likely. Both Sergio Marcichonne (Chrysler/Fiat CEO) and Mike Manley (Jeep CEO) have all but confirmed that both will come with the next generation.



Not legal. If you want something like that today, give Polaris, Can-Am, John Deere or Yamaha a call, they all make a mean side-by-side.



False on both accounts.

Wrangler will remain solid-axled until the end of time, according to both Marcichonne, Manley and the Jeep engineering team.

Grand Cherokee competes with 4Runner, not Wrangler.

No more luxury trim levels, Grand Cherokee and Grand Wagoneer will be competing in that segment.

Carpet delete/bedliner is also under consideration as an option.

Pentastar will remain base engine, diesel likely, V8 possible.

Overall changes will remain pretty low. Think something along the lines of the jump from the CJ-7 to the YJ. The changes will be more oriented towards production efficiency, since the public is already very happy with the balance of capability and comfort, so much so that the only thing keeping Jeep from selling more Wranglers is factory capacity. They're going to change it with small aerodynamic tweaks to up the MPG (Along the lines of the tweaks between the '11 and '12 models), introduce a new engine and probably transmission(s).

The big change will be designing it so that it can accomodate at the very least a pickup variant, and possibly other variants.

One of the first directives that Marcichonne laid down for Jeep was producing additional Wrangler derivatives. Currently, nothing has come because the Wrangler needed very few changes to make it a profitable model (It was actually one of only two profitable vehicles at Chrysler when he took over, Viper being the other), so the engineering staff have been focusing on more needy nameplates.
You seem to be the only one here besides me that actually reads allpar articles and what marchionne says

Those who fear have nothing to fear as far as preserving Jeep goes in the next gen Wrangler.

I am curious, though, Marauder, what aerodynamic changes are you referring to between the 11' and 12' models? put the two side by side and they're are identical.
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Unread 05-02-2012, 08:11 PM   #13
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The YJ was from 87 to 95 (8 years) the TJ was from 97-06 (9 years) .
Sorry, Nothing to add but just a minor correction in the above math.

YJ= 9 years, TJ = 10 years.

CJ age already addressed.

Wrangler = YJ+ TJ + JK and counting
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It would be pretty cool to see the variations that are currently available on the Land Rover Defender. It seems that it's only available in Europe, but look at those options! They even have a "Chassis Cab" option allowing the owners to choose what they want on the back.

http://www.landrover.com/gb/en/lr/de...lore/hard-top/
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I'll predict that they will do away with the solid front axle, more luxury trim levels. It will have to compete with the 4 Runner. Got to keep the buyers happy, not the off roaders.
They do away with the solid front axle and it won't be a Jeep.
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