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Unread 12-09-2011, 12:17 AM   #16
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Actually, the new SRT-8 is heavier and slower then the previous model eventhough it has more HP and for me at least the older model looks better. I don't understand why Jeep couldn't lighten up the new one, add some carbon fiber or fiberglass and/or aluminum in certain areas.:[
The new SRT8 has some sick suspension features and torque displacement options, however, the previous model is actually faster despite the 6.1 vs the newly added 6.4 Why they would make the new stock SRT8 slower than the previous stock version is just plain poor engineering.

I agree with the above post, the older version looks better. It has a more menacing quality & the center dual exhaust is lost on the new model. I'm good on the trade in, keeping my 07 GCSRT8.

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Unread 12-09-2011, 03:19 AM   #17
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A friend of mine leased either an 03' or 05' GC with the hemi. What I loved about his Jeep is that it didn't have all of the ugly body molding and spoilers and ground effects and just looked like an ordinary GC. I am for the engine, trans and suspension performance upgrade, but why advertise.

Several years ago, one day a guy pulled next to my friend in an Infinity "G" and tried racing him on the Garden St Pkwy. My friend blew his doors off in the GC The guys pulls next to him and says, "What the Hell". My friend rolls his window down and politely says, "Hemi" and drives away
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Unread 12-09-2011, 08:15 PM   #18
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Different Hemi, though. The 5.7L Hemi was available in the Grand Cherokee and Commander from '05 on. The SRT-8 had the 6.1L Hemi (Now 6.4).
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Unread 12-10-2011, 07:30 PM   #19
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Yeap I've been saying it over & over... Way too much plastic & luxury for my taste in Jeeps today... They were made for functionality and ruggedness and they should remain that way... Get rid of the carpets & fancy interiors and give me tough functional interior and accessories with real body protection from steel accessories including bumpers and I'd buy a new Jeep until then I'll keep my strip down modified TJ for as long as I can...
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Unread 12-11-2011, 02:00 PM   #20
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Yeap I've been saying it over & over... Way too much plastic & luxury for my taste in Jeeps today... They were made for functionality and ruggedness and they should remain that way... Get rid of the carpets & fancy interiors and give me tough functional interior and accessories with real body protection from steel accessories including bumpers and I'd buy a new Jeep until then I'll keep my strip down modified TJ for as long as I can...
Body protection? Wouldn't you also want to protect yourself in case of an accident? Head-meets-steel is less forgiving than head-meets-plastic. Some of Jeeps newer features have more to do with safety than anything else.
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Unread 12-11-2011, 05:03 PM   #21
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Yeap I've been saying it over & over... Way too much plastic & luxury for my taste in Jeeps today... They were made for functionality and ruggedness and they should remain that way... Get rid of the carpets & fancy interiors and give me tough functional interior and accessories with real body protection from steel accessories including bumpers and I'd buy a new Jeep until then I'll keep my strip down modified TJ for as long as I can...
fyi, you can buy a brand new jeep and get mopar offroad bumpers, rocker guards, etc. why did you buy a tj if it's not your taste?
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Unread 12-11-2011, 10:20 PM   #22
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loved my cherokee, classic design
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Unread 12-11-2011, 11:35 PM   #23
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Different Hemi, though. The 5.7L Hemi was available in the Grand Cherokee and Commander from '05 on. The SRT-8 had the 6.1L Hemi (Now 6.4).
Yeah, I know the SRT8 has a different engine, from the 5.7. The point I am trying to make was that, my friend's Jeep just looked like an ordinary GC almost a "sleeper" look, with no fancy chrome rims or ground effects. And he would just smoke people lol. And if he lost, it's no big deal it's a Jeep Grand Cherokee it's not meant to win races LOL I thought it was awesome.

I would love to have an SRT8 package on a GC, with just no special markings, or fancy body moldings, spoilers, scoops, skirts and rims. Just the motor, suspension, trans, brakes and just reak havoc lol.
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Unread 12-13-2011, 11:43 AM   #24
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I have no idea why people would not like the new GC. Aside from it being an excellent vehicle, it makes Jeep alot of profit, which allows them to continue producing better vehicles.

And for those purists who say it isn't true to jeeps roots, do some research. The grand wagoneer was the same vehicle in its time. The Jeepsters were made in 2 wheel drive, and were not hardcore offroaders. Jeep has a long history of building comfortable (relatively) wagon type vehicles.
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Unread 12-13-2011, 07:54 PM   #25
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The problem with the new Grand that a lot of purists have is that, while it's about as good as the previous models (Better than the WK, not quite as good as the WJ and ZJ due to that low-riding front bumper), it does, off-road, what the WJ did with two sticks and some rubber with a fairly complex air-adjustable, independent suspension.

That, and it doesn't have the customization options that the previous ones did. The design makes bumpers a little complicated, and lift kits more than a small height nearly impossible, not without reworking the entire suspension.

Yes, the Grand Wagoneer was only a superb off-roader by accident-it predated the mass acceptance of IFS. The WJ and ZJ, though, managed to blend on-road comfort with off-road prowess with live axles, so they could be both simple and effective, on- and off-road.

However, most customers don't like truck-like SUVs any more-there's a reason that they've almost all disappeared. (The only significant sellers in the truck-based SUV market now are the Wrangler, Suburban/Tahoe/Yukon and the 4Runner). Had the Grand Cherokee retained the truck-like ride of the old ones, it wouldn't be the second-best selling vehicle Chrysler makes right now, and one of the best-selling vehicles on the market today.
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Unread 12-14-2011, 12:25 AM   #26
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I have no idea why people would not like the new GC. Aside from it being an excellent vehicle, it makes Jeep alot of profit, which allows them to continue producing better vehicles.

And for those purists who say it isn't true to jeeps roots, do some research. The grand wagoneer was the same vehicle in its time. The Jeepsters were made in 2 wheel drive, and were not hardcore offroaders. Jeep has a long history of building comfortable (relatively) wagon type vehicles.
I agree with the reasons that Marauder provided. In addition, I am just not a fan of the new body styling. Park next to a Kia, Hyundai, Buick Rendevous, Rav 4, Highlander and Traverse would you able to pick it out? LOL

As far this Jeep's new pedigree, since it is new, the test of time will tell if it is a flop or not. I hope it isn't.

I hope one day Jeep goes retro in styling back to Boxy design.
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Unread 12-14-2011, 12:55 AM   #27
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Stick with the boxy styling - I like it. It's traditional, when Willys was making the MB, they had the sheetmetal done by an appliance company, and the company only had a six-inch draw on the press for simple shapes.

The Commander (XK) was a decent idea - but I would have liked a "work/cargo" conversion, and strip out the IFS in favour of a beam front axle.

Take out the 2d and 3d row of seating, "plate in" the rear windows, throw D44s under fore and aft, give it a three-inch boost, throw 31" or 32" tyres under it from the factory. Selectable lockers fore and aft, making it a "go-anywhere" work truck.

Gearing down around 4.10, 4.27,or 4.55:1 from the factory as well, and reinforce the frame/unibody. Throw a Class II or Class III receiver under the front bumper, and a Class III or Class IV under the rear.

High-current power point (30A or so) in the cargo area, or maybe feed a distribution block at 30-50A for accessories.

IFS don't belong under a Jeep - Kaiser figured that out i n 1963. IRS? Don't even bother. The HMMWV has IFS and IRS - and has the ground clearance of a bulldozer. I've driven them - I'm not wholly impressed (the saving grace of the IFS/IRS setup is it's based on a modification of the old AMC20 design - but there are better options than that out there as well. Frankly, I'd have had an easier time with the resurrection of the old D53 or D41 than the AMC20 - but I will admit to being partial to Dana axles.)

The V8 option would be nice - but keep the I6 as a base engine, it's a workhorse. Perhaps have a decent I6 Diesel option as well (a 6B, 6BT, or ISB would be too tall - but it's on the right track.)

Four-speed auto/five-speed stick as a minimum. Perhaps an optional "1+4+1" six-speed manual?

But, I digress. Stop making the Jeep like an overgrown car - it's as bad as GM/Ford/Dodge trying to make trucks that ride like full-size pax sedans. If I wanted a soft ride like a Caddy, I'd just buy a damned Caddy! If I buy a truck, it's because I want a working vehicle, and I don't want that watered down by an attempt to follow the fashions in luxury cars.

Caddy, Lincoln, Porsche all making "mock trucks?" Sacrilegious! Trucks that handle and ride like cars? Blasphemy!

(Neither should a truck focus on aerodynamics as a design concern - getting fuel economy is nice, but you know you're not going to get much of it with a truck...)
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Unread 12-15-2011, 03:46 AM   #28
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fyi, you can buy a brand new jeep and get mopar offroad bumpers, rocker guards, etc. why did you buy a tj if it's not your taste?
I never said I didn't love my TJ... I simply said that I strip it down because I didn't care for all the plastic inside and care even less for the JK because on the later it's even more pronounced including the front fenders and most of the bumpers. I have seen many of them tearing those plastic parts offloading. But both these models are quite good machines even stock requiring not much more then good tires to be very formidable off-road machines compare to other vehicles... But I still wish that Jeep would look at making a basic, no frills
off-road ready vehicle similar to what they would make for the military...
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Unread 12-15-2011, 06:09 PM   #29
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it's as bad as GM/Ford/Dodge trying to make trucks that ride like full-size pax sedans. If I wanted a soft ride like a Caddy, I'd just buy a damned Caddy! If I buy a truck, it's because I want a working vehicle, and I don't want that watered down by an attempt to follow the fashions in luxury cars.
70% of pickup trucks rated at less that 3/4 tons are sold to lifestyle buyers. You may not care about the ride, but they do, and they're the vast majority.
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Unread 12-23-2011, 03:25 PM   #30
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I feel like the new jeeps are getting too fancy. As much as I love the look inside and out, they're getting too soft. Jeeps were always meant to look hard and rugged not fancy and pretty.
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