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Unread 04-14-2011, 03:40 PM   #1
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Grand Cherokee to get diesel, Wrangler next?

http://www.autoblog.com/2011/04/14/j...america-by-20/

Autoblog just heard it straight from the Italian-Canadian horse's mouth: The hot new Jeep Grand Cherokee in North America will somewhere between soon and the end of 2013 be getting the same recently improved 3.0-liter V6 turbo-diesel engine that Europe gets. In the Grand Cherokee, this oil-burning powerplant is good for 237 horsepower and 406 pound-feet of torque, the latter of which is fully delivered between 1,800 and 2,800 rpm. This is music to all Jamboree and Rubicon fanatics everywhere.

It has not been decided whether or not there might be a special six-speed manual shifter offered alongside the W5A580 five-speed overdrive automatic transmission, and an eight-speed automatic is in the works, as well. But the manual with the Quadra-Drive II transfer case on a Trail Rated Grand Cherokee would bring the glee Stateside even moreso.

Fiat Auto CEO Sergio Marchionne is fast becoming the new Bob Lutz in his ability to cast aside all carefully kept secrets of the communications team and talk about the good things that are coming. Only minutes after Jeep's international bosses artfully skirted the issue of a common-rail diesel GC here in North America, Marchionne assured us that one would, in fact, be coming. We respect the Jeep leaders. We dig Sergio.

Not only does the latest generation of the 3.0-liter CRD engine with Multijet II management built by VM Motori in Italy based on specifications from Fiat Powertrain Technologies get 19-percent greater fuel efficiency than the previous mill, it produces 20-percent less CO2 emissions. Towing capacity is quoted at just over 7,700 pounds, the maximum for any current Grand Cherokee trim.

But will the Wrangler get the European 2.8-liter CRD inline-four good for 197 hp and 302 lb-ft of torque, paired with the NSG370 six-speed manual and Rubicon Rock-Trac transfer case? Because that, folks, is the holy grail item. Even Sergio was mum on this.

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Unread 04-15-2011, 04:05 PM   #2
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From the sounds of things, the CRD 3.0 is the way to go with the Wrangler. If the GC CRD would be capable of towing 7700 pounds with a flimsy unibody and crappy (for a truck, anyway) IRS suspsension then the 4-door Wrangler and any pickup variant with a REAL frame and axles should be able to tow at least 8-10K lbs. AND you wont have to replace the entire rear end if you do.
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Unread 04-15-2011, 10:24 PM   #3
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If the GC CRD would be capable of towing 7700 pounds with a flimsy unibody and crappy (for a truck, anyway) IRS suspsension then the 4-door Wrangler and any pickup variant with a REAL frame and axles should be able to tow at least 8-10K lbs. AND you wont have to replace the entire rear end if you do.
Forgive me for being new to Jeeps but how would the addition to the 3.0 CRD allow the Wrangler to out tow a GC?

The highest listed limit for a current Wrangler is 3,500 lbs. for an Unlimited vs. 7,400 lbs. for a GC.
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Unread 04-15-2011, 10:32 PM   #4
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honestly, unibody does not mean ****, the tension strength of a unibody far outweighs that of a frame, a frame is only better in compression forces, which is why trucks have it, so that plowing does not destroy them. Get off your high horse and see that just cause something is new it doesnt mean its ALWAYS crap. Also, of course the independent suspension isnt like a trucks, the GC is not a truck.... though i will always be partial to solid axle, I can see the benefits of independent suspension
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Unread 04-16-2011, 12:41 AM   #5
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The 3.8 V-6 barely has enough power to haul the Jeep around, let alone tow anything. I test drove a base 2-door and granted, it had the crappy tall highway gearing but it had the dinkiest tires offered and it was a manual. My 100K '00 Sport which is underpowered as hell rolling on 32's and with the same crappy highway gearing would outpower the hell out of the 3.8.

And as to my 'high horse'...pull your head out of your ***. I never said new=bad. Fuel injection is newer technology than carburetion and the benefits FAR outweigh the disadvantages. VVT is new technolgy and is fantastic. What i AM saying is that some 'newer' technologies are being applied where they dont belong. Im saying unibody doesnt equal heavy duty, and it does NOT belong on a truck. Unibody and independent suspensions are great: On cars. A lighter, stiffer monocque structure leads to better handling and less rattles and squeaks on a car. Independent suspension is superior in both ride AND handling characteristics. I would say that no CAR on the road should be made without both. The GC most certainly is a truck, as is any rear wheel drive based sport utility vehicle. It is expected to tow and haul loads that would destroy a car, and when equipped as a 4 wheel drive, it should have offroad capabilties that exceed any car or crossover which at best would have awd. However, unit bodies and independent suspension are car components and compromise the capability of a truck. There is a reason why a heavy duty vehicle such as a pickup or hardcore 4x4 doesnt use a unibody platform: It isnt up to task. Thats also why independent suspension setups are considered inferior on such vehicles. When it comes to trucks, the best of the best (Wrangler, Ford Superduty, Dodge Powerwagon, Land Rover Defender) use full-frames and solid axles. These trucks arent used just for plowing, either. Anything else falls short since it compromises by using platforms that cater to non-enthusiats. The compromise vehicles appeal to more people, and probably sell more units. But theyre geared towards casual users or posers and are not meant for those who truly USE a vehicle to its full potential. The same is true for cars. The V-6 Mustang is the crappiest variant of the car yet sells the most. The toyota camry excels at nothing. Its the most boring, non performance, blah styled, vehicle on the road. Besides starting every time you turn the key and getting you from point A to point B it has absolutely no appeal whatsoever yet is a top seller. But high sales figures dont make a product memorable, desireable, or great. It only proves that you got people to buy it. The average person doesnt know ***** about cars and would take an entire weekend just finding the F'ing hood latch.
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Unread 04-24-2011, 05:23 AM   #6
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In the past I have been mailed letters to Chrysler requesting they produce a diesel Jeep (Wrangler). In some of those letters I included pictures of other diesel vehicles I had just purchased and told them the photo represents a purchase that would have gone to Jeep had they had a Diesel Wrangler in their lineup. Since 1985 I have now owned 7 diesel vehicles ( VW, Dodge, converted CJ-5 &, Ford), and diesels are exclusively what I drive today, save for my wife's '07 Hemi Durango.

Rumors in Diesel Power mag have it that Dodge is testing the Ram 1500 with a diesel and could also outfit the the new Durango with a diesel too.

The efficiency and longevity pays for itself times over. If Fiat does get Chrysler to indeed outfit the Wrangler with a new diesel in the near future, they can indeed count on my purchase. We'd even replace our '07 Hemi Durango with a new diesel, totalingr 2 new diesel purchases for my household if Chrysler makes the diesel happen.
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Unread 05-25-2011, 07:31 PM   #7
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I am also in the lineup for a new Jeep Wrangler, hopefully diesel. I've sent a email or two to Chrysler stating that I would like to purchase a diesel 4 door wrangler... honestly if they don't make one soon my money will go elsewhere.

I shudder to think that the Volkswagen Touareg is the only vehicle even close to the Jeep class with a Diesel option.

I am very pleased with the Diesel announcement on the GC, am hoping they do what they did on the GC with the Penstar and follow with the wrangler a year later.

Anyone heard any updates?
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Unread 05-26-2011, 02:33 PM   #8
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I'd rather have the I4 for efficiency and simplicity, vs the V6.
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Unread 05-26-2011, 02:36 PM   #9
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BTW, I highly doubt the Wrangler will ever get a god damn diesel. It didn't even get the new Pentastar V6!!! Chrysler/Fiat/whoever is hell bent on ****ing the Wrangler over in every way possible. Maybe they hate making money, or maybe they're trying to kill the platform so they can replace it with a FWD unibody based vehicle with a higher profit margin.

Every year it's "rumored' that the Wrangler will get this engine and that engine, and then it never does.
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Unread 05-26-2011, 02:46 PM   #10
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I have heard the rumors of cummins coming out with a 4.2 liter v6 making 420 ft.lb and weighing 650lbs? Not sure on the weight. Why cant we have that in our new Jeeps?
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Unread 05-26-2011, 03:43 PM   #11
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I have heard the rumors of cummins coming out with a 4.2 liter v6 making 420 ft.lb and weighing 650lbs? Not sure on the weight. Why cant we have that in our new Jeeps?
Chrysler won't even put their own Pentastar engine in the Wrangler, and you want a Cummins? Bwahah!!
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Unread 05-27-2011, 01:07 PM   #12
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Yeah, I'm done waiting. I've been saving and holding my breath for a diesel Wrangler for too long, I think I'm just going to do a swap on my TJ. You guys should check out HPA Motorsports, they have a swap kit for the VW 1.9l TDI engine for all wranglers 1987 to 2011. With their kit plus the engine, it should cost about 4k if you do it your self.

Here's the dyno at the wheels for the Jeep TDI vs a 3.8l JK. They also managed to get 25 MPG highway, and thats with 33" mud terrains, armor, and cargo racks.



Lightweight, 200ft/lbs of torque, German, and efficient. It's perfect.
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Unread 05-28-2011, 10:35 AM   #13
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Yeah, I'm done waiting. I've been saving and holding my breath for a diesel Wrangler for too long, I think I'm just going to do a swap on my TJ. You guys should check out HPA Motorsports, they have a swap kit for the VW 1.9l TDI engine for all wranglers 1987 to 2011. With their kit plus the engine, it should cost about 4k if you do it your self.
Not sure where the 4K is coming from. I read 11K just for the engine. I totally believe that the Wrangler should have moved to a diesel years ago instead of that stupid V6 minivan engine (Chrysler morons!!!), but I really can't afford to drop 11K like that.
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Unread 05-28-2011, 11:37 PM   #14
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The motor is not 11k.

If you REALLY looked, you could find a wrecked jetta or golf tdi, use the parts, and then spend 4k on the Hpa conversion parts.

Even for ALL the tdi parts and jeep swap hardware for the yj, the price is $10k. This includes a new 1.9 diesel. Much cheaper if you went used.
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Unread 05-30-2011, 03:23 AM   #15
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Not sure where the 4K is coming from. I read 11K just for the engine. I totally believe that the Wrangler should have moved to a diesel years ago instead of that stupid V6 minivan engine (Chrysler morons!!!), but I really can't afford to drop 11K like that.
HAH, 11k for an engine? You wouldn't pay that much if it was NEW. It's just a 1.9l TDI out of a Jetta, Golf or Passat over like a 7 year range. You could pull one out of a wrecked VW at a junk yard for 500$ or buy a used one outright for a grand or two. That, plus 3k for the entire swap kit, is 4k. Keep in mind, these are engines that have no problem going 400,000 miles. You don't need to buy it brand new to get the most out of one.

Or just drive your gas burning Jeep into their garage, throw 17,000$ at them for the parts, a new engine, and the labor to do the entire swap for you, and drive out burning diesel. That's a ridiculous waste of money compared to doing it your self, but if you cant turn a wrench, it's either that, or wait half a decade for Jeep to put one in a new Wrangler, then drop 30,000$ on it.
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