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Unread 10-18-2008, 06:48 PM   #16
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Heard news report this afternoon that Renault is interested in taking the Jeep brand.

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Unread 10-19-2008, 08:19 AM   #17
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Well, it seems like they are still talking this weekend. But Chrysler employees are worried that GM will cut product lines that are similar to theirs and they will loose their jobs.
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Unread 10-19-2008, 08:35 AM   #18
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GM's biggest problem has always been that there have too many cars/trucks/SUVs that are damn near identical to one another. With something like 30 auto manufacturers out there offering tons of product to the consumer, GM's cutting their own throats by flooding an already bursting-at-the-seams market with the same lame stuff. Make one good vehicle in each category and offer lots of options, but don't make the same damn thing over and over with 4 different badges on it. Ford and Chrysler do this, too, so I'm not just kicking GM's balls here.

This merger deal - if it happens - could be the coolest thing to happen to American vehicles in a very long time. Or the worst, depending on your POV. this morning's headlines make it seem like both are really pushing for this to go through. With the world money situation the way it is, they may be grasping at straws just to stay alive.
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Unread 10-19-2008, 08:48 AM   #19
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Well, it seems like they are still talking this weekend. But Chrysler employees are worried that GM will cut product lines that are similar to theirs and they will loose their jobs.
I doubt there will be any cuts-if GM buys Chrysler, they'll have to step up production to meet the gap. Loads of retooling, yes, but I doubt there'll be significant job losses.
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Unread 10-19-2008, 09:27 AM   #20
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I'd be willing to bet the merger goes through. GM i'm sure would love to have the JEEP name, as well as cars like the challenger and charger as mid-range cars that are fast, since they already have the low-range cobalt.
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Unread 10-19-2008, 10:50 AM   #21
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i say why not keep all the chrysler , dodge and jeep nameplates. the 300/charger/challenger also serves a niche market.(like jeep) and the minivans indeed are the nicest in the industry! chryslers never put out big numbers, so why not just strip these brands of the poorly thought out crap (sebring, caliber, crossfire, compass, patriot)

and make 3 brands like hummer, with only 2 (soon to be 3 and eventually four) vehicles in the line up.

but vehicles that give the brands core demographics exactly what they ask for!

chrysler, gutsy entry level luxury

dodge, fast, big american

jeep, stout, capable, fun... convertibles

forget about a repetitive lineup of unnessecary vehicles for each brand. just make the vehicles that are at the core of the brand. that hold thier value better becasue they're produced in lower quantities for specific purposes!

they cant all be taurus!


...and isnt renault chevy?
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Unread 10-19-2008, 06:29 PM   #22
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Why would a new GM owned Jeep brand get rid of Compass/Patrtiot. Those two are the only bright spot in an otherwise abysmal sales year. When Jeep dealers have lots chuck full of Grand Cherokee and Commanders and cant move them ever with 8 grand off the sticker that has to tell that the days of the big thirsty SUV is over. And Liberty is no better, when they came up with the new version, it's heavier and less fuel efficient than the previous model DAH!!! what were they thinking
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...and isnt renault chevy?
No, Renault is 'allied' with Nissan.

I don't know if GM could keep the Dodge nameplate, since there's always been huge rivalries between their sports cars and trucks. It just doesn't make sense for GM.
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Renault S.A. is a French company. Remember when Jeep was owned by AMC, well Renault was their partner. and Jeeps started to be sold in Europe.From what I've been reading they are interested in Jeep again
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Also they are allied with Nissan since around 2000.
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GM will keep the Dodge nameplate in order to keep producing cars like the Charger and Challenger.
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Why would a new GM owned Jeep brand get rid of Compass/Patrtiot. Those two are the only bright spot in an otherwise abysmal sales year. When Jeep dealers have lots chuck full of Grand Cherokee and Commanders and cant move them ever with 8 grand off the sticker that has to tell that the days of the big thirsty SUV is over. And Liberty is no better, when they came up with the new version, it's heavier and less fuel efficient than the previous model DAH!!! what were they thinking

because they are the antithesis of jeep. these two CARS are in no way jeep.

ironically, a subaru is closer to jeeps core. its a lot more durable than the "jeep-iber's"

and its off road abilities, and all wheel drive are known to last for thousands of miles of abuse. on some really rough, unpaved road/trails.

when we all go up to wyoming. and drive out to XXXXXX in the middle of nowhere, no one tries to bring a calib-eep.

they bring jeeps, trucks. serious 4x4s...and subaru's

we dont camp with compasses. because they simply dont survive 60 miles of rutted washed out fire roads...


and besides, GM makes plenty of economy cars for people who dont like to think about what they drive. for people who really dont get it.

and they outsell chryslers like crazy. so why would they need two uneconomical economy cars?
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Unread 10-20-2008, 12:00 PM   #28
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News from the racey world. Looks like the rumor of a quick buyout could be true....I guess we may know in the next couple of weeks.

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If the General Motors merger/buyout of Chrysler does go through, and well it might, perhaps by Nov. 4, what happens to all those NASCAR Dodge teams?
MoPar fans have certainly been making their voices heard. NASCAR would be remiss to diss them.
Dodge racing executives haven’t had much to say lately about the situation.
And what might happen to Dodge’s various NASCAR contracts if Chrysler is ‘sold’ to GM is up in the air.
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because they are the antithesis of jeep. these two CARS are in no way jeep.

ironically, a subaru is closer to jeeps core. its a lot more durable than the "jeep-iber's"

and its off road abilities, and all wheel drive are known to last for thousands of miles of abuse. on some really rough, unpaved road/trails.

when we all go up to wyoming. and drive out to XXXXXX in the middle of nowhere, no one tries to bring a calib-eep.

they bring jeeps, trucks. serious 4x4s...and subaru's

we dont camp with compasses. because they simply dont survive 60 miles of rutted washed out fire roads...


and besides, GM makes plenty of economy cars for people who dont like to think about what they drive. for people who really dont get it.

and they outsell chryslers like crazy. so why would they need two uneconomical economy cars?
They may not be typical Jeeps when compared to Jeeps of times past but this is going to be a new, very unforgiving economic environment and clinging to the past will be a quick ticket to Chapter 11. You take your sales wherever you can get them, Wife was trading in a 92 Cherokee for a new SUV, WK was not in the running due to poor gas milage and previous experience ( had a ZJ and WJ that both had blown trannys). Liberty was looked at but had really bad rear visibility and again the gas milage. If Compass/Patriot was not available it would have been either s Saburu or a Tucson.
As for the off road issue, I would bet more than 75% of all Jeeps (with the exception of Wrangler) never leaves a paved road. They are all parked at Walmart or the Mall
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Unread 10-21-2008, 12:19 AM   #30
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you can tell thats not what im saying. so stop giving me cheap excuses, your cars a bad choice for anyone regardless.

it should have been a subaru. especially if you like better fuel economy, ride quality and getting 300,000 miles out of it.

dont glom onto a name so you can take the tag of JEEPER. you own a jeep product, there is a differance.

do you get better mileage than me, yes. but the mileage you get is terrible for an economy car, and the screaming of your cheap CVT isnt helping it.

and on the other side of your statement, no ones ever bought the commander, its been a lead baloon since its inception, even though its on a decent chassis.

and anyone who knows how to drive the hemi MDS gets about 30-35 miles per gallon. so thirsty...overstatement.

i personally would get 8.
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