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post #1 of 15 Old 07-27-2010, 08:27 AM Thread Starter
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Fiat-Based SUVs to Bolster Jeep's Future Product Lineup

I'm not liking the future of Jeep, if this holds true. Guess we'll just have to wait and see. From 'Automobile News'

Fiat-Based SUVs to Bolster Jeep's Future Product Lineup

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post #2 of 15 Old 07-27-2010, 09:59 AM
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The important thing to point out is this. They will be based off of Fiat's Compact Wide platform.

In automobile engineering speak a platform is just a set of hard points. It remains to be seen if the Compact Wide platform will result in anything worthwhile to be called a Jeep. The Patriot and Liberty replacements will move to Fiat platforms. The Compass will likely disappear completely. Since the Patriot and Compass are already just glorified Dodge Calibers how much worse can they get? I do wish the Liberty could be solid axles front and rear but I doubt that will ever happen. The Liberty will probably wind up a Jeep version of the new front wheel drive Ford Explorer, just another crossover.

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Well to jump from 300K units to 800K units in 4 years they are simply going to need to add a pickup truck or 2 . . .

Sport Utility's and crossover's ain't going to get ya there . . . PICK UP PICK UP PICK UP ! ! !

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With out a nice new pickup truck i don't see it happening . . . If they do hit there goal with out a pickup truck then they should as a tost to the Jeep line produce all 3 Jeep pickup concepts just for kicks . . .


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So here is what i don't get about Cryco, they have Cummins diesel contract's right ? . . .

Why wouldn't they build a Cummins powered jeep ? . . . I bet a Cummins diesel option would sell more jeep's then the jeep itself !

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They need a good 'offroad' styled pickup, midsized or small sized (Tacoma competitor) and a 'better' small soft-road SUV. I would never buy one, but they sell in huge volume.

Also, I assume they need a CAFE strategy to get their avg MPG numbers up, unless the US govt lops all the brands together (Jeep, Chrysler, Fiat, etc) for 'averaging' purposes.

They can do something much better than the Compass in the 'small crossover' segment and sell a hell of a lot more units. Currently, they have no competitive products in that market, and it's their largest volume 'prospect market'.

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Them little Jeep SUV's are all over the place around here out numbering the other brand prolly 3-5 to 1 . . .


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So here is what i don't get about Cryco, they have Cummins diesel contract's right ? . . .

Why wouldn't they build a Cummins powered jeep ? . . . I bet a Cummins diesel option would sell more jeep's then the jeep itself !

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I think that a Diesel powered jeep is a good probability as small disel powered vehicles are big in europe and I believe that Fiat already has a small diesel engine package available. Won't be a cummins though.........Ciao!!

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IIRC a lot of Fiats heavy equipment was power with a Cummins diesel, so both Chrysler and Fiat would have Cummins diesel contracts . . .

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So here is what i don't get about Cryco, they have Cummins diesel contract's right ? . . .

Why wouldn't they build a Cummins powered jeep ? . . . I bet a Cummins diesel option would sell more jeep's then the jeep itself !

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Because Cummins doesn't make an engine small enough to work well in a DD-able Jeep. I know a few guys who have swapped in Cummins 4BT engines, which are smaller then anything Cummins makes right now, into TJs and JKs, and, when driving around town, they run like crap because the engine is too powerful for the Jeep and they can't run a decent operating temperature.

However, Fiat is currently testing some 2.8L and 3.0L Iveco diesels for the Wrangler, which are much more appropriate.

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I will give you that the 3.9L I4 was uped to a 4.2L I4, the 5.9 I6 was replaced with a 6.7 I6 and the 8.3 I6 was replaced with an 8.9 I6 . . .
But ithought they also had smaller set of engines for mini tractors n loaders ?

Now I'm sure the 4BT or 3.9L do suck around town in the little jeeps when ya got the fuel and boost cranked up to get 300-450+HP, they were used in light duty tractors running about 100hp and in bread trucks 1.5ton ish duty rated with 150-175hp.
I'd yes left them stock 100-175hp or only turned them to 200-250hp they would be just fine.

Now with Chrysler and Fiat both having contracts with the Cummins diesel Corp, I'm sure they could build jeep a light duty 4 banger in the 150-200hp range.


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They do, but the tuning and design of those engines isn't really suitable for a road vehicle.

Cummins might sometime in the future, but Iveco already makes a vehicle called the Massif, a Land Rover Defender-esque vehicle that comes with an optional 3.0L diesel that would be PERFECT for pretty much any Jeep. As I understand, it's already very close to meeting NA standards-if it doesn't understand-and also comes in the Fiat Ducato, which is going to be coming over to replace the Sprinter.

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I remember talking to my roommates, who also have Jeeps, literally 2 days ago about how if Jeep had a mid-size truck we'd sooooo be all over that. BUT.. I think someone was hitting on it earlier how the weight distribution could potentially compromise its 4x4 capabilities?

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Then, whats the Lolligag ? lets get some Diesel jeep's in production, every model . . . work on getting another Midsized pickup truck again . . .

I feel we have went long enough with out Jeep pickup truck's they had full sized ones from 1962-1988, Midsized ones from 1986-1992, and i'm not sure how to class the pre 62' jeep pickup's but shoot 40/50+ years of Jeep pickup's now almost 20 years with none kind of sad . . .


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