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Unread 07-01-2012, 05:57 PM   #16
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Jeep is supposed to be coming out with the new gladiator at the end of 2012 jk front end with 5ft bed, comes in single cab and 4 door with the 3.6 v6 and the 4 cylinder DEISEL they run in the new Cherokees

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Unread 07-01-2012, 06:44 PM   #17
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Jeep is supposed to be coming out with the new gladiator at the end of 2012 jk front end with 5ft bed, comes in single cab and 4 door with the 3.6 v6 and the 4 cylinder DEISEL they run in the new Cherokees
I am skeptical of this prediction.
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Unread 07-01-2012, 06:58 PM   #18
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Yeah im not sure, it's just what I've been reading, it would be nice to see a jeep truck on the road
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Unread 07-01-2012, 10:40 PM   #19
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Boner! I want it with the 4cly desel!!!!
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Unread 07-02-2012, 02:08 AM   #20
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Jeep is supposed to be coming out with the new gladiator at the end of 2012 jk front end with 5ft bed, comes in single cab and 4 door with the 3.6 v6 and the 4 cylinder DEISEL they run in the new Cherokees
Not going to happen. We'd have seen platform mules for the past 2 years and camouflaged prototypes running around Auburn Hills and Colorado now were that the case, not to mention hearing about line changes from Toledo, early dealer literature and probably an official announcement from Jeep that says something other than 'It'll be out for 2015'.

The Wrangler line is running at 100% capacity. It's capacity has increased 3 times in the past two years, and each capacity increase has been met by consumer demand. There is no financial incentive for a new Jeep truck, and it's not going to happen until both the Wrangler and its assembly line are refreshed sometime around 2015/2016. Until then, the closest we can get is a JK-8. Or a Tacoma.
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Unread 07-03-2012, 08:21 PM   #21
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I read in Automobile magazine that Jeep has no intention of building this, but that the front end would bolt on to any current wrangler
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Unread 07-03-2012, 09:24 PM   #22
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They have no intention of building the J12 as shown. It, like the Nukaizer and the Mighty FC, are simply show trucks. They exist for two reasons:

-To gauge consumer reaction in a Jeep truck
-To gauge consumer reaction in using styles from the old Gladiator and FC ranges, as opposed to the Grand Cherokee and Wrangler styling used for the present lineup.

Making a bolt-on conversion kit is extremely unlikely for Mopar-we'd have heard about something by now.

While it seems to us that Jeep is really dragging their heels on releasing a truck, they're simply being cautions-the compact truck market is shrinking rapidly (Whether it's shrinking because most of the recent offerings have been crap, or they've been crap because the segment is shrinking is another debate, but it is shrinking), and Jeep's forays into the pickup market have never been terribly successful.

I know, that sounds like blasphemy, but here's some history:
-The original Willys pickup was never very popular. More due to Willys shrinking presence in the market than any shortcoming of the truck, but still.
-The Gladiator never even came close to the market volumes of the Big 3's pickups, a very distant fourth behind GMC and only a bit ahead of International Harvester. Again, good truck, but the market never really took to it.
-The FC was cool, but a very poor design and sold poorly.
-The Comanche had a terrible rep in its day, to the point that Jeep dealers started a petition to have it replaced by a rebadged Dakota instead.
-The CJ-8 Scrambler was never a huge sales success, and the CJ-6 was even worse. Both were niche offerings at best.

We know the internet is clamoring for a Gladiator, but Jeep has no idea if that'll actually translate to real-world sales, since the internet is frequently wrong. Case in point-had they listened to the forums, the Unlimited would have never been made, yet the Unlimited makes up 60% of the best Wrangler sales of all time (Mathematically speaking, the Unlimited alone outsells any other Wrangler/CJ ever made).

If/when (When is very likely, but not confirmed), a Wrangler truck will come with the model refresh in 2015/2016. We don't know exactly what it will be, but we know that both Sergio Marcichonne and Mike Manley want Jeep to have a truck of some variety, and with that kind of leverage, it's going to happen.

Just not for a few years.
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Unread 07-06-2012, 07:15 AM   #23
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They have no intention of building the J12 as shown. It, like the Nukaizer and the Mighty FC, are simply show trucks. They exist for two reasons:

-To gauge consumer reaction in a Jeep truck
-To gauge consumer reaction in using styles from the old Gladiator and FC ranges, as opposed to the Grand Cherokee and Wrangler styling used for the present lineup.

Making a bolt-on conversion kit is extremely unlikely for Mopar-we'd have heard about something by now.

While it seems to us that Jeep is really dragging their heels on releasing a truck, they're simply being cautions-the compact truck market is shrinking rapidly (Whether it's shrinking because most of the recent offerings have been crap, or they've been crap because the segment is shrinking is another debate, but it is shrinking), and Jeep's forays into the pickup market have never been terribly successful.

I know, that sounds like blasphemy, but here's some history:
-The original Willys pickup was never very popular. More due to Willys shrinking presence in the market than any shortcoming of the truck, but still.
-The Gladiator never even came close to the market volumes of the Big 3's pickups, a very distant fourth behind GMC and only a bit ahead of International Harvester. Again, good truck, but the market never really took to it.
-The FC was cool, but a very poor design and sold poorly.
-The Comanche had a terrible rep in its day, to the point that Jeep dealers started a petition to have it replaced by a rebadged Dakota instead.
-The CJ-8 Scrambler was never a huge sales success, and the CJ-6 was even worse. Both were niche offerings at best.

We know the internet is clamoring for a Gladiator, but Jeep has no idea if that'll actually translate to real-world sales, since the internet is frequently wrong. Case in point-had they listened to the forums, the Unlimited would have never been made, yet the Unlimited makes up 60% of the best Wrangler sales of all time (Mathematically speaking, the Unlimited alone outsells any other Wrangler/CJ ever made).

If/when (When is very likely, but not confirmed), a Wrangler truck will come with the model refresh in 2015/2016. We don't know exactly what it will be, but we know that both Sergio Marcichonne and Mike Manley want Jeep to have a truck of some variety, and with that kind of leverage, it's going to happen.

Just not for a few years.

While I think the J12 is awesome, I don't really think a full-size truck would be in Jeep's best interest. The "Gladiator Concept" we saw back in 05 was much closer to the JK8 we're seeing now and where I think they should be looking. While the smaller pick up market isn't necessarily a huge one. Of the two best offerings in that class (the Tacoma and Ranger) one is currently on hiatus getting "redesigned".

If anything is to be learned from much of Ford's more recent "redesigns" you can feel free to read it as "ruined". The Tacoma is a really good capable truck with the right options. Same goes for the Ranger if you put enough money in it.

I think the trick here is for Jeep to basically give us a JK8, but as a real pick up. The complete front clip of the JK on a JKU frame with a cab and bed instead of a converted tub. Use the current JK/JKU paints, trim levels, packages. Use it all. make the Wrangler a 3 model vehicle. You can get 2dr, 4dr, or Cab and Box Pick Up models. Keep the Pick Up right in line with those price tiers aswell. Perhaps on the same line as the 4dr model.

That way Jeep already has them all beat. By buying a Cab and Box JK Sport you are already getting a vehicle that is more capable in terms of off-road performance then either a Tacoma or Ranger could be built with stock options. While either might have better payload ratings then the JK Pick Up, I think the JK truck would find it's niche perfectly in the market. Especially considering what the Ranger will likely become when it re-emerges.

JMO, though.
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Unread 07-06-2012, 06:56 PM   #24
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Jeep won't build a full-size. Because of internal politics, it's a fight for Jeep to offer a truck at all, let alone something that'd compete with Ram.

Besides, Ram already builds exactly what people want in a full-size Jeep truck.



33" mudders, lockers, 12,000-pound winch, simple washable interior (in ST trim), low-range transfer case. The Power Wagon is why we'll never get a full-size Jeep truck, because we already have one. (Not that there's anything wrong with that, the only thing that the Power Wagon needs is a new bumper and winch mount that'll allow it to accommodate both the 6.7L diesel and the winch)

Anyways. Yeah, the Tacoma is a fantastic truck. Honestly, if it weren't for the fact that a Jeep pickup is persistently on the horizon, I'd have bought a nice used one by now. Say what you will about most Toyotas, the Tacoma is a fantastic truck, and what Jeep should be using as a benchmark in many areas. The Ranger was nice, too, although was getting seriously aged. Proven and reliable, just like the Crown Victoria, but I understand why it was axed, and I understand the reasoning for the new one not coming to North America.

Anyways, as a truck, I suspect that the Gladiator will be a separate model but share most of the trim levels and options with the Wrangler-along the same lines as the Chevy Suburban and Avalanche. That said, it's entirely possible that the Wrangler truck will only share Wrangler underpinnings and use a different front clip-I suspect that the retro Jeep trucks have been floated to gauge public reaction to that look as opposed to the Wrangler look. Could go either way, though.

The Jeep truck wouldn't be marketed on its towing/hauling capacity, especially if it shares a price point with the Wrangler. The Ram Tradesman line is already marketed as Chrysler's affordable work vehicle. If it's marketed towards the commercial market at all, it'll be marketed as sort of a mini Power Wagon-although I doubt it'll be marketed as a commercial vehicle. I suspect it'll be aimed right at the Tacoma's market-people who want an adventurous, off-road vehicle that can haul a bit of cargo.
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Unread 07-09-2012, 09:00 AM   #25
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Jeep won't build a full-size. Because of internal politics, it's a fight for Jeep to offer a truck at all, let alone something that'd compete with Ram.

Besides, Ram already builds exactly what people want in a full-size Jeep truck.
Unless they put the hinges on the outside so I can pull the doors off, put a roll cage in the cab, and make it a convertible I wouldn't buy that ugly thing. IMO, any Jeep truck should have those features, and if we're talking full size how about the old collapsible hinged box like on an old M35A2? The RAM has NOTHING a Jeep should be to me. Can you even get a full size RAM in a 4x4 with a Hemi and a stick?
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I doubt you'll ever see a full-size convertible truck ever again. Jeep's got to fight to keep the Wrangler, I suspect that the NHTSA would have some very specific things to say about a convertible pickup.

Still, it WOULD be cool. But, at any rate, a Power Wagon will wheel like a Jeep (A very, very large Jeep), and that's the important part IMO.

You can buy aftermarket folding boxes and order one with a box delete, if that's close enough.
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I doubt you'll ever see a full-size convertible truck ever again. Jeep's got to fight to keep the Wrangler, I suspect that the NHTSA would have some very specific things to say about a convertible pickup.

Still, it WOULD be cool. But, at any rate, a Power Wagon will wheel like a Jeep (A very, very large Jeep), and that's the important part IMO.

You can buy aftermarket folding boxes and order one with a box delete, if that's close enough.
You're very right on all points, but that doesn't make me any happier about it.
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Unread 07-10-2012, 09:00 PM   #28
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Why, and where? I doubt that any on-highway Cummins engines currently made would even fit, and they'd be so uselessly overpowered as to make the vehicle impossible to drive.

Besides, the Hemi is already too large (Doesn't meet federal clearance requirements), so a Cummins is right out. The VM Motori 3.0L is a far better choice-enough power for any Jeep, every bit as reliable as a Cummins and, if the Grand Cherokee is any indication, it (Like the GC) will get between 30-33 MPG highway.

Unless you mean the Power Wagon, in which case the Cummins isn't an option because they can't fit it with the winch.
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I think it would be neat, since its based off the J8 kit, to just get the front clip parts to put on a standard Wrangler Unlimited, give it a new age Wagoneer look.
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