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Unread 02-22-2013, 09:27 AM   #46
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^ Agreed.

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Unread 02-22-2013, 09:30 AM   #47
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Also why is the current thing in the car design game to make the doors as big as possible?

Look at how retardedly large those doors are in comparison to the rest of the jeep.
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Unread 02-22-2013, 09:38 AM   #48
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no, no, no, no, no, no, no, NO, NO, NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Seriously?!? What idiot approved that design?! I was willing to give this the benefit of the doubt until I saw how it looked/performed but man is that "Jeep" UGLY in the front.

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Unread 02-22-2013, 09:51 AM   #49
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Reminds me of a Nissan Xterra.

I dunno. Not a huge fan, but I will reserve judgement until I see the specs. Looks are secondary to me, personally.

Good aspects:
For a *car*, it's got decent approach and departure angles and the clearance isn't *awful*.
Interior is respectably spartan
Possibility of a diesel someday?

Bad aspects (aside from looks):
Cladding/wheel wells are going to make it difficult to add larger rubber, even with major sawzall
Independent Suspension, I assume. Not bad persay, but still a little twitch when calling it a Cherokee

I think all in all, it's probably a good competitor to Subaru, which the Jeep line-up has been considerably lacking. The Patriot and Compass are jokes and the Wrangler & Grand Cherokee are too high-priced and are marketed to very different demographics.

While I don't think it will live up to the XJ's legacy, I think it fits a much-needed niche in Jeep's lineup.
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I'll admit, not sold on the looks, in white at least. The black and red ones that aren't front and center look a lot better, though-the Dart has the same problem, oddly enough.

Side profile reminds me a lot of the WJ, for some reason.
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Unread 02-22-2013, 09:58 AM   #51
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Why do most people hate the MK's? I just do not understand. If you think they aren't capable you're dead wrong. http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f98/1...hread-1481953/ And on another forum, which I can't link to cause this forum is rather ridiculous, tons of people take their Pat's offroad regularly (much like myself). aroundincircles is one of them and he's on here as well. Don't bash them so much if they can do a large majority of things an other Jeep can do.
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It looks like something that could capture market share going to Rav 4 or Subaru buyers. To me, that is a good thing.

I will await official photos, videos, etc., but so many vehicles now have curves and swoopy styling that I am not going to criticize this one for going that way. It seems to be what the buying public wants, so why not give it to them?

My next Jeep will be some flavor of a Wrangler, but this could be a decent little vehicle for many people. The days of all Jeeps having solid axles at both ends and being suitable for crawling are long gone, boys and girls.
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Unread 02-22-2013, 10:06 AM   #53
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Honestly, I dont hate the MK's but the Caliber, oh yeah I hated that. My issue was a number of things:

- Cheapened out by Diamler when they came out. The interiors were awful.
- CVT, like I need to go into whats awful about that.
- The look of the pre refresh Compass that looked like a Jeep squirel holding nuts in its cheeks.
- Did I mention the god awful CVT?

The Patriot reminds me a lot of the XJ but like 7/8 size which isnt a bad thing at all. The Compass post refresh looks rather nice but both vehicles are getting long in the tooth now and need a good refresh.
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Unread 02-22-2013, 10:06 AM   #54
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It looks like something that could capture market share going to Rav 4 or Subaru buyers. To me, that is a good thing.

I will await official photos, videos, etc., but so many vehicles now have curves and swoopy styling that I am not going to criticize this one for going that way. It seems to be what the buying public wants, so why not give it to them?

My next Jeep will be some flavor of a Wrangler, but this could be a decent little vehicle for many people. The days of all Jeeps having solid axles at both ends and being suitable for crawling are long gone, boys and girls.
Now there's smeone that understands how the automotive world works / is working. Makes me happy to see that at least one other person gets why they're moving away from boxes.

And I agree Cirruslydakota. The Caliber was awful and had many blind spots (drove one off and on). And I agree that the Patriot is similar in styling to a XJ which I liked when I was shopping for my Jeep. I also agree that the Compass refresh is much better than the 1st Gen.
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Unread 02-22-2013, 10:15 AM   #55
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Quote: "The days of all Jeeps having solid axles at both ends and being suitable for crawling are long gone, boys and girls."

Thats exactly how I feel. Not every person who buys a Jeep is going to slap a 3" lift and big off-road tires on it. If you want real capability get a Wrangler, if you want luxury and capability get a Grand Cherokee, if you need an all weather capable vehicle that gets ok gas mileage but can still perform mildly offroad when needed get a Patriot/Compass. Ive been following the news on this new Jeep for quite a while on allpar and one person inparticular (Marauder_Pilot knows exactly who im talking about) has been dumping on this vehicle from day one consistantly and after a while I got pretty sick of hearing it.

So heres my opinion, lets see the final product revealed and see what its capable of. Until then ill reserve judgement on what it can do but as far as looks go im not sold on that front clip.

If you want the old school capability then go adopt one of the last XJ's WJ's. Its what I did.
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Unread 02-22-2013, 10:19 AM   #56
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^ Someone with Norm in his name I'm sure. He popped into our Patriot forum and told us that we shouldnt expect any changes for 2014 and he was right. Damn. Last I read he was saying that it's not even going to be called the Cherokee and that it's going to be the Spirit instead.
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I respect him as a core jeeper but lets not fool ourselves here. The XJ sold in massive numbers but how many were enthuasists that planned on off-roading them? Instead many got put into DD or mommy duty. The XJ was a spartan suv with hard plastics, are you telling me if that was sold today against the current competition the XJ would still be king? Doubt it. Everyone these days wants a soft touch dashboard, power everything, technology galore, and 30mpg with 300+ horsepower and the XJ was NEVER any of those things. If they would have turned the XJ into all those things core jeepers would be complaining about it becoming too soft which is exactly what the Liberty was, and we all know how that turned out.
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It is possibly the ugliest car I have ever seen. I can't believe they would put the Cherokee name on that.
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Unread 02-22-2013, 10:34 AM   #59
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No its not, two words. Nissan Juke.

Actually scratch that. Almost Nissan's entire line up. Especially the Juke, Cube, and the all new Mallfinder.

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2014 Cherokee.... legit?

http://jalopnik.com/2014-jeep-cherok...s-it-335476306

Its all over my facebook. Would just like to hear if this is all true. Jalopnik is the only place I've seen photos from.
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