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Unread 05-13-2012, 06:06 PM   #46
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I don't see the GW actually being as expensive as you're thinking. I think you'll see a base model (well equipped - akin to a Limited or maybe Laredo X starting at $38-41k or so - a $5k premium over a GC Laredo X or Limited. I expect the ~ $5k premium over the GC to exist along the model lineup, maybe expanding if they're able to add in features the WK2 lacks.

Jeep has seen the dismal failure of the WK2 SRT8, despite the fact that it's a great vehicle. I'm sure they're not wanting to price themselves out of the competition again with the Wagoneer. To put it into perspective, an ML550 equipped like a GC Overland V8 4x4 is $70k, a premium of $25k over the $45k WK2 Overland. A comparably equipped GL450 (note that I didn't use the GL550 model because it adds a host of AMG tuning upgrades over the 450 which increase it's price significantly) would cost $75k, so if we assume an upcharge of $3k for the 550 engine, and assume that the Jeep will attempt to keep the same $25k price advantage, a GW V8 4x4 Overland model would work out to $53k, $8k more than the same vehicle in a GC,

I'm not sure why people seem to think the GW is going to be starting at higher pricing than Range Rovers, or full on German luxury cars. Marchionne and crew aren't so stupid as to think that they can bring out a new GW and be considered on the same level. They will price the GW at a large discount over it's European competition, and considering the GL/ML share os much in common wit the GW/GC, it's logical to assume that a similar price differential will exist.

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Unread 05-13-2012, 08:02 PM   #47
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I have no clue how they are going price this. However, I'd think if Jeep really wanted to knock one out of the park with the GW they'd make it a capable offroad machine with plenty of space and luxury. No low profile tires, no "hip" street smart styling. Make it a real deal machine that will get you through a Rocky Mountain blizzard in the lap of luxury. Pitch it to the ski resort crowd. Realize that it's going to be the one vehicle they aren't going to be able to do much with in terms of fuel economy. Make the base model available with the small Hemi, and the upgrade with the big one. Then just try to undercut the Escalade by 5k on each trim level. Plus, some really kick*ss movie placing. Too bad it's so far out until we'll see this vehicle. A feature in the new Bond flick would have made sure it was a success.
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Unread 05-19-2012, 10:23 PM   #48
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From what I have read about the GW the pricing should start where the Grand cherokee Overland leaves off, Which would mean about a 43K starting point on the GW. I think it does need to be offroad capable like all jeeps but it also needs a first class interior. I guess we should know in less than a year where they are going with it.
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Unread 05-19-2012, 11:32 PM   #49
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I have no clue how they are going price this. However, I'd think if Jeep really wanted to knock one out of the park with the GW they'd make it a capable offroad machine with plenty of space and luxury. No low profile tires, no "hip" street smart styling. Make it a real deal machine that will get you through a Rocky Mountain blizzard in the lap of luxury. Pitch it to the ski resort crowd. Realize that it's going to be the one vehicle they aren't going to be able to do much with in terms of fuel economy. Make the base model available with the small Hemi, and the upgrade with the big one. Then just try to undercut the Escalade by 5k on each trim level. Plus, some really kick*ss movie placing. Too bad it's so far out until we'll see this vehicle. A feature in the new Bond flick would have made sure it was a success.
Agreed! But you can also include outdoorsman like hunters, fisherman, campers, boaters. I would also say increase the tow capacity to like 10.5K- 12K and add a 6spd auto with a nice turbo diesel. And with all of the crazy weather we been having, some nice ground clearance, waterproofing wires and like 400-600 watt power converter so you can power your house when power goes out lol.
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Unread 06-05-2012, 02:26 PM   #50
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I read on the Motor Trend iPhone app that Chrysler is planning on killing off the Durango in favor of the Grand Wagoneer. I'll see if I can link to the article.
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Unread 06-05-2012, 02:29 PM   #51
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Unread 07-11-2012, 03:27 PM   #52
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I have no clue how they are going price this. However, I'd think if Jeep really wanted to knock one out of the park with the GW they'd make it a capable offroad machine with plenty of space and luxury. No low profile tires, no "hip" street smart styling. Make it a real deal machine that will get you through a Rocky Mountain blizzard in the lap of luxury.
That's my opinion too - while not wealthy myself I work for, and with a handful of well heeled individuals and I've observed that for all the fancy toys they incorporate in their lifestyles, one thing they all have in common is they tend to keep around a couple old workhorse SUVs - GX470s and Landcruisers and Suburbans and even old beater YJ's. No, they don't have 920-speaker Harmon-McIntosh Fellatiotron sound systems or 200-zone infrared climate control or whatever.. their best feature is you get in them and they just plain work without complaining and without any worry that they might complain. That's luxury.
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Unread 07-12-2012, 07:11 AM   #53
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Hmmm...I know this is completely off and waaaaayyyy to cool for Chrysler to do. What if they actually released the J12 and build a Wagon version and used that as the GW? It would look incredible, be completely capable, and have plenty of room for seating. In a way it's really too bad that Jeep is owned by Chrysler. If they put out a line up like this I think they could easily dominate most other companies. One small sized SUV along the lines of the old KJ, The Wrangler, Wrangler 4dr, a Wrangler Pick Up (JK8, but not a kit) more inline with the original Willys style line up. Then the higher end models the GC, The Fullsize J12 Pick Up and the GW built off that platform. I think Jeep would draw many, many customers from other lines. Really the only thing they wouldn't be offering is a passenger car and a sportscar. Neither of which have much place in the brand anyhow. A dream, and something that could never happen while Jeep is owned by another Automaker, but wow, would that be a killer line up.
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Unread 07-17-2012, 09:15 PM   #54
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Sales of truck based luxury SUVs are slipping. More and more luxury buyers are realizing they don't tow a 40 foot boat, and so they don't need a full size truck frame. They tend to enjoy the better ride of a more conventional crossover type design, and the automakers are able to deliver better driving dynamics with the crossover foundation. It tends to improve the fuel economy and performance as well.

The latest murmurs are that the Grand Wagoneer will in fact be priced only a modest amount over the Grand Cherokee, and will not offer the lower trim levels the GC offers, so base price will seem much higher, because the base model will be equivalent to a moderately optioned GC. I think the rendering Allpar has of the GW in white is starting to look about right. I'm sure the front and rear will look a good bit different, but I think hat general shape is going to be a big hit, it's classy yet conservative and functional.
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Unread 10-22-2012, 08:53 AM   #55
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Is there any more info as to if or when this Jeep will be available?
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Unread 10-23-2012, 10:45 PM   #56
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Not any time soon. There hasn't been a single platform or powertrain mule spotted, which means that it's at least two years away. It may not be coming at all. It may replace the Durango when the platform is due for a refresh in the next 4 years or so. It may have turned into a Wrangler-based project. There's no solid word on it.
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Unread 10-24-2012, 07:15 PM   #57
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Not any time soon. There hasn't been a single platform or powertrain mule spotted, which means that it's at least two years away. It may not be coming at all. It may replace the Durango when the platform is due for a refresh in the next 4 years or so. It may have turned into a Wrangler-based project. There's no solid word on it.
Thanks for the update (we all appreciate the informed updates.) Isn't Chrysler/Jeep laying out their business plan on Oct 30th? Would love to hear about what they are planning.
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They are, but I wouldn't bet on anything Grand Wagoneer-related then. It's going to be more about near-future major launches (200 replacement, Liberty replacement, new Alfa Romeos, ect) and production capacity shuffling (What's going to be built in Europe and such).

Still, you never know-the new leadership at Chrysler/Fiat plays things VERY close to the chest, because market conditions are necessitating change at a very rapid rate. Honestly, we won't get a hard, 100% confirmation on the Grand Wagoneer's existence until at most a year before sale date and any hard data on it until a few months before.
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Unread 10-25-2012, 12:20 AM   #59
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Why can't they just use the old body style with modern suspension and drive train components? Love it or hate it, the old GW is iconic and is pretty much a timeless design. Of course in the end, it will probably end up much the same as the Commander (basically the discontinued Cherokee revamped and enlarged for a market that didn't exist) so I figure the new GW to be a visually similar but slightly larger version of the GC.

Porsche isn't the only maker out there that can keep the same basic body style in production with success. I believe Jeep could do it with the original style GW.
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Why can't they just use the old body style with modern suspension and drive train components?
Crash regulations, aerodynamic requirements, the fact that the tooling was turned into scrap decades ago, assembly line restrictions and about a million other reasons.
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