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Unread 02-25-2011, 10:01 AM   #1
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2013 Jeep, chrysler dodge

Does fiat stand for F****** Idiot Automobile Thrashers? I think so. fiat will have a hand in EVERY chrysler model:

Chrysler, Dodge, Ram, and Jeep 2013
by Dan Minick of Global Auto with renderings by Charger, JackRatchett, S. Weigel, and Suzq044; updated 1/4/2011

It’s 2013 and the Fiat-Chrysler plan is in full swing. We’ve seen refreshes of the entire North American lineup, and new joint projects are appearing at your local Chrysler-Dodge-Jeep-Ram dealership. Most are powered by Chrysler engines, with a scattering of Fiat 1.4 four-cylinders (100-150 hp), Cummins diesels, and one or two experimental Fiat diesels. Europeans can buy a Fiat Freemont, otherwise known as the Dodge Journey, and a Lancia version of the 300C; Britons can get a range of Italian-made Lancia Chryslers, as well as three “real” Chryslers. Here’s what we’ll be seeing:


Dodge Stinger
Dodge’s entry level model is a B-segment hatch smaller than Civic Si or VW GTI, but with enough attitude to hit against those models. This model will most likely be a rework of Fiat’s Grande Punto Abarth or the Alfa MiTo. (Editor’s note: This model would be a reskinned and possibly somewhat retuned Fiat design quite possibly made in Europe.)
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Dodge Hornet
Next up is Dodge’s C-segment 4 door sedan, taking over for the Caliber, and filling the gap vacated by the Neon. This has to hit hard against Civic / Corolla / Cruze. Derived from the C-evo platform, along with the Fiat Bravo, Alfa Milano and others. The Hornet, regardless of name, will be built at Belvidere, and will debut in Detroit in January 2012.

Dodge Matador / AvengerDodge’s competition for Camry/Accord but with some kick. Dodge’s version of the D-evo platform (itself a stretched C-evo). (Editor’s note: This model would essentially be a Chrysler design using Fiat dimensions and basic architectures with Chrysler engines and transmissions. It will be a direct replacement for Avenger — and might wear the Avenger name, if the latter sells well in 2011-2012.)

Dodge ChargerRedesigned for 2011 or 2012, the Charger is the muscle car with room for the family.

Dodge Challenger Probably a mild refresh, but continuing as Dodge’s muscle car entry with a choice of the Hemi or the Pentastar V6.

Dodge Journey
Continuing as the crossover / wagon entry in North America, the Dodge Journey also spawns a sibling for sale in other global markets — the Fiat Freemont, code JF, filling the gap left by the cancelling of the Fiat Ulyssee minivan and possibly also replacing the Multipla.
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The Fiat Freemont was discovered by an astute Allpar reader in late 2010, with the usual Pentastar V6, a Fiat 2.0 liter diesel (replacing the Volkswagen engine), a 2.4 liter World Engine, and an “E22” version of the 2.4 liter World Engine. Allpar readers will still be debating whether the diesel will make it to the United States in 2013, depending on whether the government eases diesel pollution controls and whether fuel prices spike.

Dodge Caravan / Chrysler Town & CountryWith its new re-engineering / refresh, the Town & Country will finally split from the Caravan into larger and smaller models; this has been predicted since 2010. Caravan will emphasize sportiness, while Town & Country will go after the traditional minivan market. (This probably largely depends on the success of the R/T). A new, more powerful engine, possibly a mini-V8, is stuffed into the Caravan R/T.
Dodge DurangoSpinning off of the new Grand Cherokee as the big people mover is the new Durango, going head to head with a similarly redesigned Ford Explorer.

Ram trucks
Fiat Strada pickup
The Brazilian-built Fiat Strada pickup with a diesel engine gets 44 miles per gallon, hits a top speed of just over 100, does 0-62 in 13.5 seconds. With the standard cab, it has a payload capacity of 1,550 pounds, including the driver, and a five-foot, six-inch long bed. The extended cab has a 1,500-pound payload and a four foot, six-inch bed. Towing capacity is said to be 2,000 pounds.
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Li’l Ram ExpressBringing deliveries to your door with either Multi-Air efficiency or electric power, Ram gets its own version of Fiat’s recently revised Doblo. (Editor’s note: this was recently dropped, according to public statements, but might still make it to market.)
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Ram DailyFor fleets and commercial businesses that had made the move to DaimlerChrysler’s Sprinter, the Ram Daily should fit the bill nicely as the successor. (Editor’s note: This model would probably be a Chrysler design using Fiat dimensions and basic architectures.)
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Ram pickups and chassis cabsPickup changes expected are an optional Cummins V8 diesel; the use of an eight-speed automatic in some models or as an option; addition of the hybrid Ram 1500; the use of the Pentastar V6 instead of the current Next Generation V6; and possibly the addition of MultiAir to one or more of the engines. Depending on corporate priorities, the company may replace the rear suspension with a more conventional leaf spring setup, unless Ram sales increase without it. The independent rear suspension was a hit with critics but some believe it is hurting sales.

For chassis cabs, the Cummins V8 is a possibility, at least in the 3500 and 4500 models. A Class 6-8 range is also possible, though extremely unlikely until 2015.
Ram Dakota. The “lifestyle Dakota” has been in the works since 2006, but decisions seem to have wandered around the map. Rumblings from Chrysler would lead us to believe that the Dakota is no longer to be based on the minivan chassis, since there is now just one minivan plant and it will likely be pressed to capacity, especially once Fiat starts handling European sales (adding a fourth variety to the plant already making a Dodge, Chrysler, and Volkswagen version).

Regardless, by 2013, there should be some sort of a lighter-duty Dakota, fitting into the original dimensions and capacities of the once-midsized pickup; and a European version is expected. It's possible that there are plans afoot to move Journey production to the United States, and make a Dakota range, based on whatever platform but using unique components, in the flexible Toluca plant.


Jeep Patriot and Compass replacementsJeep’s new C-segment entry, replacing both the Patriot and Compass. This model will probably help spawn a sister Fiat vehicle (although the Fiat will be more ‘car-like’) to replace the Fiat Sedici (Suzuki SX4). Based on the C-evo platform.


Jeep ‘Liberty’Based on the D-evo (stretched C-evo) platform, this new model replaces the Liberty. (Editor’s note: This model would probably be a Jeep design using Fiat dimensions and basic architectures.)

Jeep Wrangler gets the Pentastar V6 engine, and possibly more attention to its transmission and four wheel drive systems, along with other tweaks in 2012.

Jeep Grand Cherokee continues with few changes; an SRT8 will be launched in 2012. A Maserati version is built at Jefferson Heights, using a Ferrari V8 or V12 engine.

A proposed B-sized Jeep, likely a refaced Fiat Panda, was originally on the Five Year Plan, but was not shown on the Fiat five year plan, and was likely dropped.

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Unread 02-25-2011, 07:40 PM   #2
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I love the Stinger, that bodystyle is just ripe to become the next SRT-4. But the hornet being a sedan and not the boxy little xB/Element/Cube/Soul fighter = FAIL. I like the look of those mini pickups, but whats under the hood and what kind of drivetrain? Hybrid Ram = FAIL. Wrangler with only a mention of pentastar V-6 and no V-8 or diesel (but there IS a mention of a V-8 caravan?!?!?!) = EPIC FAIL. No mention of Jeep pickup = MAJOR EPIC FAIL. Liberty becoming a car based CUV = FAIL. Panda based Jeep gone, well thats good.
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I love the Stinger, that bodystyle is just ripe to become the next SRT-4. But the hornet being a sedan and not the boxy little xB/Element/Cube/Soul fighter = FAIL. I like the look of those mini pickups, but whats under the hood and what kind of drivetrain? Hybrid Ram = FAIL. Wrangler with only a mention of pentastar V-6 and no V-8 or diesel (but there IS a mention of a V-8 caravan?!?!?!) = EPIC FAIL. No mention of Jeep pickup = MAJOR EPIC FAIL. Liberty becoming a car based CUV = FAIL. Panda based Jeep gone, well thats good.
Hope they don't axe the Liberty.... they killed my beloved Commander, but as they say you can't spell FIAT without FAIL
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I like the Stinger. I have to admit I have a little ricer fever every now and then lol.
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Yea, the stinger looks like a vw GTI .... might be the neon replacement. Remember these are all artist conceptions so final production will be different
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Is fiat really going to ****ing change the Ram to look like that?
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Is fiat really going to ****ing change the Ram to look like that?
I don't think they can afford to change ram that extremely in one model change...

However Word is that dodge will be phasing out the cross hairs and it will only be a ram trademark

I think they could pull off those two trucks, if they put a bit more ram styling into the fronts of them.

On the "ram 50" the box looks very very tiny.. maybe a bit bigger would be good, but I guess they are trying to get back to the early 90's size and capacities.. Sucks my dad has always bought a new Dakota every 2 years.. he was heartbroke when I told him they were going to kill its current 4.7 and 4000lb? tow capacity...
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Look for major changes for the wrangler front-end for 013, to including the windshield.
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Is fiat really going to ****ing change the Ram to look like that?
think of the old ram 50 which was the dodge mini truck before they came out with the midsize dakota. kind of like the chevy luv truck prior to the s10
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Hope they don't axe the Liberty.... they killed my beloved Commander, but as they say you can't spell FIAT without FAIL
Yes, you can.

You guys need to read more.

Dodge, Chrysler, Lancia, Fiat and Alfa Romeo will share platforms. A platform is nothing more than a set of dimensions.

Will some cars be rebadges? Definitely. What's the issue here?

Small cars will be more Fiat than Chrysler. Large cars will be almost purely Chrysler, with some parts and features sources from Fiat. Since Chrysler hasn't built a truly good small car since the Valiant (Maybe the Neon), and Fiat hasn't built a truly good large car...ever, I still don't see what the problem is here.

Journey has already spawned the Freemont. The only difference is the front facia. The rendering shown is an old photoshop job.

The general consensus is that the Caravan will continue, and that a new, smaller van (Mazda5-sized) will replace the T&C. The Caravan will get another trim level to account for the gap of an upscale, larger minivan.

Half-ton and larger trucks aren't changing. The Strada may be slotted into the bottom of the range, but probably not for North America at all-more likely is the Dakota replacement and the upcoming BOF Ram 50. Don't hold your breath for a Strada, or anything that looks like, or mechanically resembles, one.

Daily isn't likely coming to North America, more likely the Ducato and Doblo. Doblo will slot below the Ram C/V and Ducato will replace the Sprinter.

Fiat will have as much input in Chrysler's stuff as Chrysler does in Fiat. That's the point of a controlling interest-economies of scale.

Seriously, guys, read the actual forums on Allpar.com once in a while if you're actually interested in what's coming and not just year-old speculation dreck.
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That Strada pickup looks great. Finally are we going to get a small pickup other than the Ranger (which will be axed anyway) in America?
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Stinger looks good. Those small trucks don't look right with ram horns on the grill. Interested in the small diesel truck.

AND WTF? NO JEEP DIESEL OR TRUCK?!?!
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I always thought it was "fix it again Tony"
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