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Unread 02-23-2011, 12:49 PM   #31
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The drivetrain components are sturdy enough given the weight of the vehicle. Similar to how a D35 is sturdy enough for a non lifted Wrangler. If they were bad in the snow it was the fault of the stock tires, not the vehicle. If you haven't actually had one offroad you are not qualified to comment on their capability.
Driving around in deep snow is as close to off roading as driving through mudd or anything else. And they may be sturdy enough to add a nice set of tires, but that still doesn't put it in wrangler territory. My jeep came stock with completely worn tires. And i managed to drive it through 18 inches of unplowed streets without a problem. I can say through experience the tracker wouldn't fair the same with brand new tread.

And a D35 can support a lifted TJ with 33s. It may not be the best axle, and we TJers may rag on it, but its all in comparison to other axles the TJ could run.

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Unread 02-24-2011, 08:53 PM   #32
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Hah! I saw the Phoenix at the Chicago Auto Show...but it was called the Fiat 500 (Panda)! It was ok...not as small as the Smart Car. For $11,000, I'm willing to give it a look.
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Unread 04-11-2011, 12:39 PM   #33
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I would give the panda a look (I own a smart car) due to the 4x4 and the milage. I only get 42mpg highway on summer blend high octane.
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Unread 04-23-2011, 10:30 AM   #34
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I'd much, much, much rather drive a Patriot, Compass, or Liberty.
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Unread 04-27-2011, 10:30 AM   #35
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Its horrid, and does not fit in with the brand at all. Why should a Jeep have to try to be something that Jeep is not?
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Unread 04-27-2011, 10:33 AM   #36
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Because the have to meet CAFE standards... and if they dont have something to offset the more hard core off roaders, then there wouldnt be any.
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Unread 05-05-2011, 06:27 PM   #37
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You know what pisses me off? A body on frame, small, efficient vehicle is possible. Suzuki Samurai is one!

But all we get now that the Samurai is gone are these car based cute utes.
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Unread 05-07-2011, 04:33 PM   #38
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Cars like the Samauri won't ever come back. The Samauri sold really well when there weren't cars that traded comfort for off-road potential, which is what most people would rather have.

For 95% of the driving population, it's pretty hard to come back from leather seats, soft suspension and built-in nav systems.

Plus, that thing was a total deathtrap. If you took a Samauri and jammed all the safety equipment you need in a modern car, it'd only fit one person.
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Unread 05-07-2011, 05:37 PM   #39
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You know what pisses me off? A body on frame, small, efficient vehicle is possible.
The Model T also fits that description but it's not being made today for a lot of good reasons. Time to stop bemoaning the past and accept the future.
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Unread 05-07-2011, 07:18 PM   #40
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The Model T also fits that description but it's not being made today for a lot of good reasons. Time to stop bemoaning the past and accept the future.
Are you going to accept the future when the Wrangler ends up based on the Fiat Multipla?

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Unread 05-07-2011, 07:19 PM   #41
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The Fiat (panda) platform is a great fit to the line up, the way I see it.
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Unread 05-08-2011, 12:11 AM   #42
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The Model T also fits that description but it's not being made today for a lot of good reasons. Time to stop bemoaning the past and accept the future.
I dont know if I would qualify the Model T as Efficient.
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Unread 05-08-2011, 08:45 AM   #43
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I dont know if I would qualify the Model T as Efficient.
20-25mpg on average. Of course 40mph was top speed with a stiff tailwind and a downhill run, and it consumed oil like crazy, but still, I think it could easily be called efficient.
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Are you going to accept the future when the Wrangler ends up based on the Fiat Multipla?

And you honestly think that's going to happen? Really? C'mon.
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Cars like the Samauri won't ever come back. The Samauri sold really well when there weren't cars that traded comfort for off-road potential, which is what most people would rather have.

For 95% of the driving population, it's pretty hard to come back from leather seats, soft suspension and built-in nav systems.

Plus, that thing was a total deathtrap. If you took a Samauri and jammed all the safety equipment you need in a modern car, it'd only fit one person.
The last of the Tracker/Vitaras had the requisite safety equipment and amenities and still got 25 mpg. I wish they were still made.
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